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The discussion centers on the calculation of the area of a triangle defined by vertices A, B, and C with position vectors a, b, and c. The correct formula for the area is established as 1/2|b×c + c×a + a×b|. The confusion arises from the use of vector multiplication, specifically the cross product, and the handling of negative signs in vector equations. The participants clarify the importance of using standard notation for vector operations to avoid misunderstandings.

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Hi there,

I have a very basic maths problem that has highlighted a hole in my knowledge. I was answering the following question:

The vertices of a triangle are A, B, C, with position vectors a, b, c . Show that the area of the triangle ABC is 1/2|b×c+c×a+a×b|.

and got the answer as 1/2|(a*c) + (-a*b) + (-b*c)|

I know that a*c = -c*a

but that would mean when I attempt to get the answer given in the question by switching the letters so it reads:

1/2|(-c*a) + (-a*b) + (-b*c)| i have a load of minus values in there? because I'm taking the modulus shown by the | on either side, does this mean I can just ignore the minus signs?

cheers for your help!

seb
 
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sebastian tindall said:
Hi there,

I have a very basic maths problem that has highlighted a hole in my knowledge. I was answering the following question:

The vertices of a triangle are A, B, C, with position vectors a, b, c . Show that the area of the triangle ABC is 1/2|b×c+c×a+a×b|.

and got the answer as 1/2|(a*c) + (-a*b) + (-b*c)|

I know that a*c = -c*a
Presumably you mean a X c = -c X a, and similar for the area formula you show. There are three different kinds of multiplication for vectors in R3: the cross product (denoted with X), the dot product (denoted with ##\cdot##), and multiplication of a vector by a scalar, as in ##c\vec{v}##. To avoid confusion in readers, use the standard notation for the cross product.
sebastian tindall said:
but that would mean when I attempt to get the answer given in the question by switching the letters so it reads:

1/2|(-c*a) + (-a*b) + (-b*c)| i have a load of minus values in there? because I'm taking the modulus shown by the | on either side, does this mean I can just ignore the minus signs?
I don't think so. Since all your vector products point in the opposite direction, as compared to the answer you showed above, I suspect that you did something wrong in your calculation. Please show how you got this result.
 

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