A question about lebesgue integral

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The discussion revolves around the properties of the Lebesgue integral, specifically whether the integral of the square of a function being zero implies that the function itself is zero almost everywhere (a.e.) on a given interval. The scope includes theoretical aspects of measure theory and properties of measurable functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the condition that the Lebesgue integral of f^2 being zero necessitates that f=0 a.e. on the interval.
  • Another participant argues against this, suggesting that a counterexample exists where positive and negative parts of the function cancel each other out, leading to an integral of zero.
  • A third participant seeks clarification on the nature of the function f, asking if it maps reals to reals or has a different form.
  • One participant asserts that for any measurable function g, if the integral of the absolute value is zero, then g must be zero a.e., applying this to f^2.
  • Another participant points out that the previous assertion assumes f is a real function, and that the situation may differ if f is a complex function.
  • There is a clarification regarding the assumption of the function's range, with one participant noting that they assumed the function maps to the extended real line.
  • A detailed proof is provided by a participant to support the claim that if the integral of |g| is zero, then g must be zero a.e., outlining the construction of sets related to the function g.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the integral condition implies that the function is zero a.e. Some argue in favor of this implication under certain conditions, while others challenge this by suggesting the existence of counterexamples. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not explicitly defined the nature of the function f, leading to ambiguity regarding whether it is real or complex, which affects the validity of the claims made. Additionally, the assumptions regarding the measure space and the properties of the functions involved are not fully explored.

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if lebesgue integral of f^2 over an interval equal 0, must f=0 a.e on that interval?
 
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No. Try to find a counterexample (hint: the integral can be 0 since positive and negative parts cancel out).
 
R136a1 said:
No. Try to find a counterexample (hint: the integral can be 0 since positive and negative parts cancel out).
What negative parts, R136a1? He's integrating f(x)2 over some interval.
pswongaa said:
if lebesgue integral of f^2 over an interval equal 0, must f=0 a.e on that interval?
Is f a function that maps reals to reals, or something else?
 
Oh god. Never mind my reply.
 
For any measure space (X,\mathcal{S},μ), and any measurable function g:\rightarrow [-∞,∞], ∫|g|dμ=0\implies g=0 a.e.

Specifically, since f^2=|f^2|, this gives f^2=0 a.e., and hence f=0 a.e.
 
You are assuming f is a real function, Axiomer. If it's a complex function, then f2 is not the same as |f2|.
 
That's a good point. Since the op didn't specify otherwise, I assumed we were talking about functions to the extended real line.
 
For any measure space (X,\mathcal{S},μ), and any measurable function g:\rightarrow [-∞,∞], ∫|g|dμ=0\implies g=0 a.e.

proof:
Define A=\{x\in X: g(x)≠0\}. For all naturals n, define A_n=\{x\in X: |g(x)|>\frac{1}{n}\}.

\frac{1}{n}μ(A_n)=∫\frac{1}{n}x_{A_n}dμ≤∫|g|dμ=0, so μ(A_n)=0 for all n.

Then μ(A)=μ(\bigcup _{n=1}^∞A_n)≤\sum _{n=1}^∞μ(A_n)=0\implies μ(A)=0, as desired.
 

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