A question about Taylor Series

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The discussion revolves around finding the Taylor series for the function cos(x) and understanding its convergence properties across the real numbers. Participants explore the implications of the series representation and the conditions under which it converges to the function itself.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • Participants discuss the process of deriving the Taylor series and question what is meant by demonstrating convergence to cos(x). Some suggest proving the radius of convergence, while others mention the relationship to Euler's formula and the nature of analytic functions.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of convergence and the characteristics of analytic functions. Some have raised concerns about circular reasoning in the definitions provided, and there is an exploration of examples that illustrate the complexities of Taylor series convergence.

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There is a mention of the lack of prior knowledge regarding analytic functions among participants, which may influence their understanding of the topic. Additionally, the discussion includes references to specific mathematical concepts and theorems that have not yet been covered in their studies.

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Find the Taylor series for cosx and indicate why it converges to cosx for all x in R.

The Taylor series for cosx can be found by differentiating sum_{k=0}^{\infty} \frac{(-1)^k (x^{2k+1})}{(2k+1)!} on both sides...

But I'm not sure what the question means by "why it converges to cosx for all x in R". Isn't that just obvious, since the summation equals cosx...it obviously converges to it...

Thanks in advance
 
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Hi Artusartos! :smile:

Maybe they're asking you to prove the radius of convergence.

(you could try comparing it with the definition of eix)
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Artusartos! :smile:

Maybe they're asking you to prove the radius of convergence.

(you could try comparing it with the definition of eix)

Thanks. I'm not sure how I can compare it to e^(ix), but this is how I did it:

I just found lim |\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}| and got infinity as the radius of convergence...
 
yes, that should do! :smile:

(and look carefully, and you'll se that the cosx series is the real part of ∑ (ix)n/n! :wink:)
 
Be careful here! Showing that the radius of convergence is infinity shows that it converges for all x. That alone does not show that it converges to cos(x).
 
HallsofIvy said:
Be careful here! Showing that the radius of convergence is infinity shows that it converges for all x. That alone does not show that it converges to cos(x).

Thanks, but then what can I do to show that it converges to cos(x)?
 
Artusartos said:
Thanks, but then what can I do to show that it converges to cos(x)?

Euler's formula? :wink:
tiny-tim said:
(and look carefully, and you'll se that the cosx series is the real part of ∑ (ix)n/n! :wink:)
 
tiny-tim said:

Thanks but I'm not sure what you mean. Doesn't the fact that cosx is equal to the Taylor series imply that they all converge to cosx? :confused:
 
Artusartos said:
Doesn't the fact that cosx is equal to the Taylor series imply that they all converge to cosx? :confused:

if cosx is analytic, then yes

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytic_function
A function is analytic if and only if it is equal to its Taylor series in some neighborhood of every point.​

but that's a rather circular answer …

there must be theorems that state when a function is analytic, but i can't offhand remember what they are :redface:
 
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tiny-tim said:
if cosx is analytic, then yes

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytic_function
A function is analytic if and only if it is equal to its Taylor series in some neighborhood of every point.​

but that's a rather circular answer …

there must be theorems that state when a function is analytic, but i can't offhand remember what they are :redface:

Thanks, but we didn't learn about analytic functions yet...
 
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Artusartos said:
Thanks but I'm not sure what you mean. Doesn't the fact that cosx is equal to the Taylor series imply that they all converge to cosx? :confused:

The classic example is f(x) = exp(-1/x^2) for x ≠ 0 and f(0) = 0. The function has derivatives of all orders, which all → 0 as x → 0, so if we define f and all its derivatives to = 0 at x = 0, then f is infinitely differentiable with all derivatives continuous. Its Taylor series around x = 0 is identically 0, with an infinite radius of convergence), but of course, f(x) is not the zero function. In this case the convergent Taylor series fails to represent the function. There are fancier examples, I believe.

One way to proceed is to note that
f(x) = T_n(x) + E_n(x),
where T_n(x)is the nth order Taylor polynomial and E_n(x) is the error. There are various formulas for E_n(x), and some of them may allow you to say whether or not you have E_n(x) → 0 as n → ∞ for all x, or at least for all x in an interval.
 

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