A question about the Exterior Product in Yang-Mills theory

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The discussion revolves around the exterior product in Yang-Mills theory, specifically addressing the modification of the vector potential and the implications of the exterior/wedge product's properties in this context. Participants explore the mathematical structures involved, including Lie algebra-valued one-forms and their relationship to curvature in principal bundles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that in Yang-Mills theory, the curvature is expressed as F = dA + A ∧ A, questioning why the term A ∧ A is not zero given the anticommutative property of the wedge product.
  • Another participant clarifies that A is a Lie algebra-valued one-form, suggesting that A ∧ A should be interpreted as matrix multiplication of normal one-forms rather than simple exterior products.
  • Several participants inquire about the terminology and study of Lie-algebra valued one-forms, with references to specific texts that cover the topic.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of the Lie algebra involved, questioning whether it relates to diffeomorphisms or isometries on differentiable manifolds and the implications for the A-field's definition.
  • Participants express preferences for different texts on the subject, indicating varying levels of detail and clarity in the treatment of connections on fiber bundles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the exterior product in the context of Yang-Mills theory, with some agreeing on the need for a deeper understanding of Lie algebra-valued forms while others focus on the mathematical implications of the wedge product. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific properties and interpretations of these mathematical structures.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the nature of the Lie algebra and the smooth structure of the manifold, as well as the specific mathematical definitions and properties of the exterior product in this context.

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Right, so in Yang-Mills theory, the vector potential is modified from:

[tex]F = dA[/tex]​

To:

[tex]F = dA + A\wedge A[/tex]​

However, it is my understanding that the exterior/wedge product is anticommutitive, so that for a given exterior algebra over a vector space, V:

[tex]\omega \wedge \omega = 0, \forall \omega \epsilon \Lambda(V)[/tex]​


Why then is the second term in the curvature, F, not non-zero? I assume I'm missing something, could someone fill me in?


(Sorry, this probably fits better in Topology & Geometry section, but the question technically is a question about multilinear algebra)
 
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Argh! I was almost done a long latex post, but I accidentally closed the window.

[itex]A[/itex] is a Lie algebra-valued one-form. not a "normal" one-form. Roughy, think of [itex]A[/itex] as a matrix of "normal" one-forms, and [itex]A \wedge A[/itex] as matrix multiplication, where exterior products of matrix elements (normal one-forms) are used instead of multiplication of numbers.
 
Thank you George Jones for your reply.

Is there a particular name for the topic of Lie-algebra valued one-forms? (I assume it's actually a differentiable form, i.e. a section of the cotangent bundle). If there is, I would like to study it a little more.I'm assuming there's a little more to it than this. For instance, the Lie algebra here, is it the Lie algebra of the Lie group of diffeomorphisms/isometries on the differentiable manifold/Riemannian manifold (this is the only straight foreword way, that I can imagine, that they'd be matrices)? Or are we assuming the manifold for which our A-field is defined over is also has smooth group structure?
 
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GoldPheonix said:
Thank you George Jones for your reply.

Is there a particular name for the topic of Lie-algebra valued one-forms? (I assume it's actually a differentiable form, i.e. a section of the cotangent bundle). If there is, I would like to study it a little more.

They are treated in The Geometry of Physics: An Introduction by Theodore Frankel, and in Geometry, Topology, and Physics by M. Nakahara.
GoldPheonix said:
I'm assuming there's a little more to it than this. For instance, the Lie algebra here, is it the Lie algebra of the Lie group of diffeomorphisms/isometries on the differentiable manifold/Riemannian manifold (this is the only straight foreword way, that I can imagine, that they'd be matrices)? Or are we assuming the manifold for which our A-field is defined over is also has smooth group structure?

A Yang-Mills theory involves a internal (i.e., not spacetime) symmetry group G, and uses a structure called a principal G bundle. The field strength that you gave in the first post is the curvature (again, internal, not spacetime) of the principal G bundle.
 
I own M. Nakahara's book. Is it contained in the section on the theory of connections on fiber bundles?
 
GoldPheonix said:
I own M. Nakahara's book. Is it contained in the section on the theory of connections on fiber bundles?

Nakahar covers this stuff briefly (maybe too briefly, I prefer Frankels's treament) in the section on curvature of fiber bundles.
 

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