A question about trigonometric identities

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The discussion revolves around the identity involving trigonometric functions: cot 2x = (cos 3x + cos x) / (sin 3x + sin x). Participants are exploring whether this equation can be considered an identity and discussing various approaches to verify its validity.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the possibility of the identity, noting that evaluating both sides at x=0 leads to a discrepancy, as the left side equals 1 while the right side does not exist.
  • Another participant suggests cross-multiplying to simplify the equation and applying half sum/difference identities to the resulting products.
  • A different approach is proposed, involving converting the equation into a polynomial form using the variable u = e^(ix) and clearing denominators to explore the identity further.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about whether to continue simplifying the equation or if they should conclude that both sides do not equal each other.
  • There is a repeated emphasis on applying the half sum-difference formula to further analyze the products of sine and cosine on both sides of the equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the identity holds true, with multiple competing views and approaches presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the validity of the identity.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note specific values (like x=0) that lead to undefined expressions, while others suggest different methods for simplification, indicating a variety of assumptions and approaches without resolving them.

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Is this identity possible?

[tex]cot 2x = \frac{cos3x + cosx}{sin 3x + sinx}[/tex]

Thanks!
 
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Mark44 said:
Is this homework?

Not homework. I'm just asking if it's possible for the expressions on both sides to be identical or the equation is an identity or not. Because I've tried to work on it but I couldn't make them identical.
 
One obvious point is that if x= 0, the left side is 1 but the right side does not exist. And if you don't like "does not exist", try evaluating both sides at x= 0.01.
 
acen_gr said:
Is this identity possible?

[tex]cot 2x = \frac{cos3x + cosx}{sin 3x + sinx}[/tex]

Thanks!

Try cross multiplying to get:

[tex]\cos 2x (\sin 3x + \sin x) = \sin 2x (\cos 3x + \cos x)[/tex]

and then apply the half sum/difference identities to all of the sin cos products on each side of the equation. It comes out fairly easy with this step.

Use:
[tex]\sin a \cos b = \frac{1}{2} \left[ \sin(a+b) + \sin(a-b) \right][/tex]
 
An alternate approach is to convert to a polynomial equation in u = eix.
For example: cot(2x) = i(u2+u-2)/(u2-u-2) = i(u4+1)/(u4-1).
Do the similar steps for the right hand side, clear the denominators and end up with an identity.
 
uart said:
Try cross multiplying to get:

[tex]\cos 2x (\sin 3x + \sin x) = \sin 2x (\cos 3x + \cos x)[/tex]

and then apply the half sum/difference identities to all of the sin cos products on each side of the equation. It comes out fairly easy with this step.

Use:
[tex]\sin a \cos b = \frac{1}{2} \left[ \sin(a+b) + \sin(a-b) \right][/tex]

[tex]\cos 2x (\sin 3x + \sin x) = \sin 2x (\cos 3x + \cos x)[/tex]
[tex]\cos 2x \sin3x + \cos2x sinx = \sin2x \cos3x + \sin2x cosx[/tex]

Should I end here? I think both doesn't equal up. Or should I go further by extracting cos2x, sin2x, cos3x, and sin3x ?
 
acen_gr said:
[tex]\cos 2x (\sin 3x + \sin x) = \sin 2x (\cos 3x + \cos x)[/tex]
[tex]\cos 2x \sin3x + \cos2x sinx = \sin2x \cos3x + \sin2x cosx[/tex]

Should I end here? I think both doesn't equal up. Or should I go further by extracting cos2x, sin2x, cos3x, and sin3x ?

You need to end up with sinx and cosx only, using identities for cos2x, etc. I think my method (using representation in eix, etc.) might be easier.
 
acen_gr said:
[tex]\cos 2x (\sin 3x + \sin x) = \sin 2x (\cos 3x + \cos x)[/tex]
[tex]\cos 2x \sin3x + \cos2x sinx = \sin2x \cos3x + \sin2x cosx[/tex]

Should I end here?
No, apply the half sum-difference formula (that I gave above) to each of the sin-cos products.
 

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