A question of history concerning Rindler Coordinates

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The discussion centers around the historical context and differences between Rindler coordinates and the accelerated observer system of coordinates as described in "Gravitation" by Misner, Wheeler, and Thorne. Participants inquire about original publications, references, and the specifics of coordinate systems in the context of accelerated observers in flat spacetime.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for the original publication date of Wolfgang Rindler's work on Rindler coordinates and the decision to name the coordinates after him.
  • Another participant explains that there is a difference between the accelerated observer system in MTW and Rindler coordinates, specifically regarding the placement of the spatial origin and the implications of coordinate singularities.
  • Several participants inquire about references listed in MTW, noting that they do not have a copy to verify the information.
  • One participant identifies Rindler's book from 1969 as an early reference and suggests searching for older journal articles.
  • Another participant mentions a 1966 article in the American Journal of Physics that discusses the coordinates and speculates on their presence in Rindler's earlier works.
  • Expressions of gratitude are shared among participants for the helpfulness of the responses provided.

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Participants express uncertainty about the exact references and historical details, and there is no consensus on the original publication or the differences between the coordinate systems, as multiple viewpoints are presented.

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Limitations include the lack of access to specific texts for verification and the potential for differing interpretations of coordinate systems without a definitive resolution.

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1. Does anybody know where it is possible to read the original publication of Wolfganng Ridler (May he live long and be blessed) about Rinder coordinates? (acclerated observer in flat spacetime)

When was it published? when was the decision to name it after him?

2. Is there any difference between the acclerated observer system of coordinates explained in section 6.6 in: "Gravitation" (by Misner, Wheeler & Thorne 1974) and the Rindler coordnate system?

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Ammah said:
Is there any difference between the acclerated observer system of coordinates explained in section 6.6 in: "Gravitation" (by Misner, Wheeler & Thorne 1974) and the Rindler coordnate system?

Yes; the placement of the spatial origin is different. In standard Rindler coordinates, the spatial origin (which is actually a coordinate singularity in this chart) is placed at the Rindler horizon, so that the proper acceleration of an observer at a distance ##x## from the origin is ##1 / x## . This makes the proper acceleration at the origin itself infinite (which is one manifestation of the fact that the origin is a coordinate singularity). In MTW's coordinates in section 6.6, the spatial origin is placed at the position of some particular accelerated observer, so the proper acceleration at the origin is the proper acceleration of that observer, call it ##a##. The Rindler horizon in this chart is then at an ##x## coordinate of ##- 1 / a##.
 
Does MTW list any references? I don't have a copy handy to check.

[added] The earliest reference I can find with some quick Google searching is Rindler's book:

Rindler, W., 1969, Essential Relativity: Special, General, and Cosmological

If there's anything older, e.g. a journal article, you might be able to find it by searching on scholar.google.com for Rindler's articles.
 
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jtbell said:
Does MTW list any references? I don't have a copy handy to check.

All MTW is defining there is standard Fermi-Normal coordinates for a accelerating observer in SR. Note that the trivial coordinate transform:

x' = x-1/a

takes Rindler coordinates to FN coordinates for the world line at x=1/a,t=0 in Rindler coordinates. I don't see any references given in this section of MTW.
 
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jtbell said:
Does MTW list any references?

AFAICT MTW only lists Rindler's book as a reference, no journal articles.
 
The coordinates appear in the 1966 American Journal of Physics Article "Kruskal Space and the Uniformly Accelerated Frame",

http://scitation.aip.org/content/aapt/journal/ajp/34/12/10.1119/1.1972547

I don't think I see the coordinates explicitly in the Physical Review article "Hyperbolic Motion in Curved Space Time", but I think that he had them in mind,

http://journals.aps.org/pr/abstract/10.1103/PhysRev.119.2082

Also, they might appear (I don't know) in the first (1960) and second (1966) editions of Rindler's book "Special Relativity".
 
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Thank you so much!
 
Thank you all so much, your answeres have been so helpful! Thank you for the time and kindness (on top of knowledge)
Bless you
 

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