A question on the definability of convolution

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The discussion revolves around the definability of convolution in the context of Lebesgue and Riemann integrals, specifically referencing Apostol's "Mathematical Analysis". Participants explore the conditions under which the Lebesgue integral exists and how it relates to the convolution of functions.

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  • One participant questions the existence of the Lebesgue integral for convolution as stated by Apostol, seeking clarification on the conditions required for its existence.
  • Another participant suggests that the Lebesgue integral does not need to exist for all x in the interval [a,b], indicating a potential misunderstanding of the author's assertion.
  • A participant asserts that if functions f and g are Riemann integrable, then their convolution is well-defined for all x in [a,b], but questions why this holds true.
  • It is noted that the product of two Riemann integrable functions is also Riemann integrable, referencing a theorem from Apostol's book.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the Riemann integrability of f(t) and g(x-t) under specific conditions, suggesting that the integrability may not hold for all necessary values.
  • A participant discusses the implications of the interval boundaries, suggesting that if a > 0, functions can be assumed to be zero outside the interval, but questions the validity of this assumption.

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Participants express differing views on the conditions under which the Lebesgue integral exists and the implications for convolution. There is no consensus on the validity of certain assumptions regarding the integrability of functions outside specified intervals.

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Participants highlight limitations in understanding the conditions under which the Lebesgue integral exists, particularly in relation to the definitions of Riemann and Lebesgue integrability. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the assumptions made regarding function behavior outside specific intervals.

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In Apostol's "Mathematical Analysis", Page 328 (see the image below and the underlined sentence),
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why does the Lebesgue integral (41) exist for
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The definition of convolution is as follows:
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Thanks!
 
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I'm not sure if I understand your question. For that special case, the Lebesgue integral doesn't have to exist for all [itex]x \in \left[a,b\right][/itex], and that is precisely what the author says.
 
My question comes from the underlined sentence. That the convolution in (41) can be defined means the Lebesgue integral in (41) exists and the author asserts this integral exists for all x in [a,b] under the given condition. But I do not understand why this integral
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exists.
 

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What the author (Apostol) asserts is that, if f and g are Riemann integrable, then that convolution is well defined, for all [itex]x \in \left[a,b\right][/itex]. On the other hand, if the functions are Lebesgue integrable (and this include much less regular functions), then then their (Lebesgue) integral may not be defined. In fact, the author gives an example immediately after.
 
JSuarez said:
What the author (Apostol) asserts is that, if f and g are Riemann integrable, then that convolution is well defined, for all [itex]x \in \left[a,b\right][/itex]

My question is why this statement holds, not the statement on the other hand.
 
Because the product of two Riemann integrable functions is also (Riemann) integrable. This is a consequence of, for example, theorem 7.48 of Apostol's book.
 
But f and g are Riemann-integrable only on [a,b] under the given condition, which does not insure f(t) and g(x-t), and in turn their product, are Riemann-integrable on [0,x].
 
Note that [itex]x \in \left[a,b\right][/itex], then for a<0, there is no problem, because [itex]\left[0,x\right]\subseteq \left[a,b\right][/itex]; if a>0, you may always assume that the functions are 0 outside the interval.
 
JSuarez said:
if a>0, you may always assume that the functions are 0 outside the interval.
Why? Why can we assume the functions are 0 outside the interval ([a,b] or [0,x])?
 

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