# A question regarding a new solution

1. Jan 25, 2008

### transgalactic

i recently posted a queston about prooving a convergence of a series
and to find the limit

i have found a new way to proove
i showed it in the link

is this method ok??

the problem is in the second step
when i am trying to prove that the series doesnt go bellow 0.61

i used the splitting method
of the fraction but its inconclusive

how do i proove the second part
???

do i need to proove anything else inorder to complete the objective???

http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img8220ez9.jpg

(there is a typing miste in the link its a n+1>0.61)

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2. Jan 25, 2008

### sutupidmath

This looks like a sequence to me!

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3. Jan 25, 2008

### sutupidmath

Why don't u post the original question first?

4. Jan 25, 2008

### transgalactic

the original question and how i tried to solve it in the new link

on the top of the first page

5. Jan 25, 2008

### HallsofIvy

Staff Emeritus
You say, at one point, "$a_k> 0.61$ given". Well, you aren't "given" that. And I don't see where you have proved it. But then you say "we need to prove that ak+1< 0.61" which isn't true. Are you saying that ak> 0.61 for some k? Well, ak+1 < 0.061 is never true, any way.

I think it is simpler to prove the contrapositive. Suppose that, for some k, ak+1> ak. Then
$$a_{k+1}= \frac{a_k+ 1}{a_k+ 2}> a_k[/itex] Multiply on both sides by the positive value $a_k+ 2$. Then you are saying that $a_k+ 1> a_k^2+ 2a_k$ so that $a_k^2+ a_k-1< 0$. That's a parabola opening upward. For what values of x is x2+ x- 1< 0? Are those possible values of ak? 6. Jan 25, 2008 ### transgalactic the parabula shows how the series goes if the line after some point goes is on the negative part of the y axes (bellow the x axes) then each next member will decrease in value thats how i overrided the prooving of an+1<an inequality you showed yourself the parula formula in the numanator so i think it is the same. is it ok?? now i want to proove that its not going bellow 0.61 by the induction method we presume that an>0.61 and using that we proove that an+1>0.61 as i showed in the link i am having trouble to solve it ?? Last edited: Jan 25, 2008 7. Jan 25, 2008 ### Rainbow Child Since $a_0=1$ then [tex]a_{k+1}= \frac{a_k+ 1}{a_k+ 2}> 0$$

by induction, i.e. $a_k>0 \,\forall\, k$. Thus the limit is

$$l=\frac{-1+\sqrt{5}}{2}$$