A simple Intro to Real Analysis question

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The original poster is tasked with proving properties of an ordered field, specifically focusing on the relationship between elements a and b, and their additive inverses. The discussion revolves around the implications of the definition of an ordered field and the properties associated with addition and inequalities.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to establish the proof for the statement that a < b if and only if 0 < b - a, questioning whether it is valid to express the additive inverse in a certain way. Participants discuss the nature of the additive inverse and its properties in the context of ordered fields.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the definitions and properties relevant to the proof, with some guidance provided regarding the assumptions that can be made about the additive inverse. There is an ongoing examination of whether certain properties can be assumed without further justification.

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There is a concern regarding the limitations on assumptions that can be made based on the basic properties of an ordered field, particularly in relation to the additive inverse.

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Homework Statement



I'm asked to prove that

If F is an ordered field, then the following properties hold for any elements a, b, and c of F:

(a) a<b if and only if 0<b-a
(b) ...
...


Right now I'm working on (a)

Homework Equations



We're supposed to draw from the basic properties (closure, associativity, commutativity, etc.) and also from the following definition.

Definition 1.4. A field F is ordered if it has an ordering < so that:

For all a, b in F, exactly of of these holds: a<b, a=b, a>b.
For all a, b in F, if a<b, then a+c<b+c.
For all a, b in F, if a>0 and b>0, then a+b>0 and ab>0.

The Attempt at a Solution



So far I wrote:

(a) Assume a < b.
Using Definition 1.6, we can add c to both sides of the inequality. Let c = -a, the additive inverse of a, so that the left side of the inequality equals 0.
0 < b + (-a)


But I'm wondering, is it a "given" that + (-a) = -a? I'm wondering whether I can just change this to b - a to complete the proof (actually, half the proof because we're dealing with an "if and only if" proof) or if I need to draw from some property.
 
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What you're asking is if the additive inverse of a is the same as the product of the additive inverse of 1 and a.

0=0*a=(1-1)a=a*1+(-1)*a=a+(-1)*a

Hence, -a = (-1)*a

This is true for any ring.
 
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ZioX said:
What you're asking is if the additive inverse of a is the same as the product of the additive inverse of 1 and a.

0=0*a=(1-1)a=a*1+(-1)*a=a+(-1)*a

Hence, -a = (-1)*a

This is true for any ring.

Yeah, but I just wondering whether it's a "given" that +(-a) = (-1)*a = -a, or whatever. I want to make my proof as concise as possible.
 
The closest thing in the field properties is "for all a, there exists -a such that a+(-a)=0".

If you aren't allowed to assume anything beyond the basic properties of an ordered field, I'd say that you can't assume +(-a) = -a.
 

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