A Simple Proof Of Bell's Theorem

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around Bell's theorem, its interpretations, and the implications of experimental results related to it. Participants explore the clarity of explanations provided by various sources, the experimental validation of Bell's theorem, and the potential for practical applications of its implications, particularly concerning nonlocality and instantaneous communication between particles.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants find Nick Herbert's explanation of Bell's theorem simple and accessible, while others criticize it as incomplete and misleading.
  • There is a debate over whether the experimental results related to Bell's theorem have proven nonlocality or if they merely support quantum mechanics without implying any deeper physical reality.
  • One participant argues that the concept of instantaneous communication between particles is nonsensical, as it implies a form of transmission that contradicts physical principles.
  • Another participant asserts that violations of Bell inequalities are widely accepted in the mainstream physics community as evidence against local realism, while some challenge this view, suggesting that not all researchers agree on the implications of these violations.
  • Concerns are raised about the qualifications of those discussing the theorem, with some participants questioning the expertise of others in the field of quantum optics.
  • There is a suggestion that a deeper understanding of classical and quantum optics is necessary to grasp the complexities of Bell's theorem and its implications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the interpretation of Bell's theorem and the implications of experimental results. There is no consensus on the validity of Herbert's explanation or the conclusions drawn from Bell's theorem regarding nonlocality.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding and interpretation, including the dependence on definitions of nonlocality and the nuances of experimental setups. There are unresolved questions about the implications of Bell's theorem and the interpretations of its violations.

  • #31
DevilsAvocado said:
DrC, I’m looking for the stuff on "remote entanglement" (particles that never was in contact), but I can’t find it on PF?

There are a batch of related ones from some of the top teams. Search on entanglement swapping, but here are a few:

http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0609135

We report for the first time in an ancilla-free process a non-local entanglement between two single photons which do not meet. For our experiment we derive a simple and efficient method to entangle two single photons using post-selection technology. The photons are guided into an interferometer setup without the need for ancilla photons for projection into the Bell-states. After passing the output ports, the photons are analyzed using a bell state analyzer on each side. The experimental data clearly shows a non-local interaction between these photons, surpassing the limit set by the CHSH-inequality with an S-value of 2.54 and 24 standard deviations.


http://arxiv.org/abs/0809.3991

Entanglement swapping allows to establish entanglement between independent particles that never interacted nor share any common past. This feature makes it an integral constituent of quantum repeaters. Here, we demonstrate entanglement swapping with time-synchronized independent sources with a fidelity high enough to violate a Clauser-Horne-Shimony-Holt inequality by more than four standard deviations. The fact that both entangled pairs are created by fully independent, only electronically connected sources ensures that this technique is suitable for future long-distance quantum communication experiments as well as for novel tests on the foundations of quantum physics.


http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0409093

We report the first experimental realization of entanglement swapping over large distances in optical fibers. Two photons separated by more than two km of optical fibers are entangled, although they never directly interacted. We use two pairs of time-bin entangled qubits created in spatially separated sources and carried by photons at telecommunication wavelengths. A partial Bell state measurement is performed with one photon from each pair which projects the two remaining photons, formerly independent onto an entangled state. A visibility high enough to violate a Bell inequality is reported, after both photons have each traveled through 1.1 km of optical fiber.


http://arxiv.org/abs/0911.1314

Quantum systems that have never interacted can become nonlocally correlated through a process called entanglement swapping. To characterize nonlocality in this context, we introduce local models where quantum systems that are initially uncorrelated are described by uncorrelated local variables. While a pair of maximally entangled qubits prepared in the usual way (i.e., emitted from a common source) requires a visibility close to 70% to violate a Bell inequality, we show that an entangled pair generated through entanglement swapping will already violate a Bell inequality for visibilities as low as 50% under our assumption.


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Although these experiments don't show it, you can entangle photons after they are detected... and you can even entangled photons that never existed at the same time.
 
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  • #32
DrChinese said:
There are a batch of related ones from some of the top teams. Search on entanglement swapping, but here are a few:

BIG Thanks! :!)
 

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