A simple theorem we pondered in our ski lodge.... (sum of Fibonacci numbers)

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The discussion revolves around the representation of natural numbers as sums of unique Fibonacci numbers. Participants explore the validity of this concept, referencing historical theorems and providing informal proofs and reasoning.

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  • One participant suggests that any natural number can be expressed as a sum of unique Fibonacci numbers, supported by a program that confirms this up to 2,000, but acknowledges this is not a formal proof.
  • Another participant references Zeckendorf's theorem, which states that every positive integer can be uniquely represented as a sum of non-consecutive Fibonacci numbers.
  • A later reply notes the historical context of the theorem, indicating that it was originally published in the 1950s by Gerrit Lekkerkerker, despite being named after a later author.
  • One participant proposes a generalization that any set of increasing integers where the first element is 1 and each subsequent element is at most double the previous one can represent natural numbers as sums, using Fibonacci numbers as a specific example.

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Participants express varying levels of confidence in the ability to represent natural numbers as sums of unique Fibonacci numbers. While some support this idea with references to established theorems, others provide alternative perspectives and historical context, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the completeness of the proofs presented.

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The discussion includes references to specific mathematical properties and historical claims that may require further verification. The proofs and reasoning presented are informal and may depend on specific interpretations of the Fibonacci sequence and the conditions outlined.

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We talked about Fibonacci numbers, and I wondered:

Can any natural number be construed by a sum of unique Fibonacci numbers?

My guess was yes, and a C program I wrote confirms that to be up to about 2,000, but that's of course is no proof. The best semi-proof I could come up with is that the Fibonacci sequence is more closely than the power-of-two sequence, which we know is enough to construct all numbers. Better explanation, but still a bit hand-wavy.
 
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Awesome, thanks. I figured there would be some ancient proof of this. 1970s is surprisingly young actually!
 
Writing every natural number as sum of unique numbers of a set is possible for every set of increasing integers where ##a_1=1## and ##a_{n+1} \leq 2 a_n##. You can prove this by induction:
  • You can write 1 as such a sum as a1=1
  • Induction step: If you can write 1 to ai-1 as such a sum, not using ai (obviously), then you can write ai to ai+ai-1= 2ai-1 ##\geq## ai+1 as such a sum.

As the Fibonacci numbers start at 1 and don't increase by more than a factor 2 per step, it works for them.
 
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