A Slider-Crank & Angular Velocities/Acceleration Problem

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The problem involves a slider-crank mechanism, focusing on angular velocities and accelerations. The original poster presents equations related to the accelerations and velocities of points in the mechanism, indicating a struggle with the next steps in their analysis.

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  • Participants discuss the importance of treating angles and distances as variables in deriving relationships between velocities and angular velocities. There is mention of needing to differentiate to find these relationships. Some participants also question the correctness of the provided answers and suggest that the geometry of the problem may not be sufficient for solving it.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for variable treatment in equations, and there is acknowledgment of potential errors in the original answers. However, no consensus has been reached regarding the correct approach or solution.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the geometry of the mechanism, particularly concerning the angles involved. Participants note discrepancies in their findings, suggesting that assumptions about the relationships between components may need to be revisited.

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Homework Statement


I have posted the problem in an attachment.


Homework Equations


Aa = Ab + Aab (acceleration at a is equal to the the acceleration of b plus the acceleration of A with respect to B)
Aa = ωob x [ωob x Rob] + [αab x Rab]
Va = Vb + Vab



The Attempt at a Solution


First, I got the relative positions (Rob and Rab) of O with respect to B (-0.1 j) and A with respect to B (-0.229i - 0.1j) I feel pretty good about this being correct

Now, when I plug into the 2nd equation I have in the "relevant equations" part and do a lot of cross products, I get the following:
Aa = -1000j - 0.229αab j + 0.1αab i

Now I am unsure how to proceed from here. I still have not found any of the three items that I'm asked to find and kind of stuck on where to go next. Any help is much appreciated.
 

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As with your https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=716711, finding the instantaneous geometry is of limited value. You need equations in which angles and the distance AO are treated as variables. Then you can differentiate to find the relationships between velocities and angular velocities etc. and as I wrote on that thread, another approach is to consider components of velocities along the rods. The two ends of a rod must have the same velocitiy in that direction.
Btw, I believe the given answers in this question are wrong. To get the rotation rate of AB to be zero I need angle ABO to be a right angle, not angle AOB.
 
haruspex said:
Btw, I believe the given answers in this question are wrong. To get the rotation rate of AB to be zero I need angle ABO to be a right angle, not angle AOB.
I did this question and I found the answers to all three of them. Instantaneous rotation rate of AB comes to be zero both conceptually and quantitatively.

My other two answers differed by a factor of 100 (lower), but that could be my mistake!
 
NihalSh said:
I did this question and I found the answers to all three of them. Instantaneous rotation rate of AB comes to be zero both conceptually and quantitatively.

My other two answers differed by a factor of 100 (lower), but that could be my mistake!

Yes, I realized later I was wrong about that, but only just got a chance to get back online.
 
haruspex said:
Yes, I realized later I was wrong about that, but only just got a chance to get back online.

no problem!:wink:
 

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