Linear and angular momentum problem: Ball hitting a rod

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a ball of mass \( m_b \) and velocity \( v_b \) colliding with a rod of length \( L \) that pivots about its center. Participants are exploring the concepts of linear and angular momentum, particularly how to apply both in the context of a collision where the rod is free to move.

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  • Participants discuss the conservation of linear and angular momentum and question how to combine these concepts in their calculations. There is confusion about whether to treat linear and angular momentum separately or together, especially when considering the effects of the collision on both the ball and the rod.

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Some participants have provided insights into the nature of the collision, noting that both linear and angular momentum are conserved. There is ongoing exploration of how to set up the equations correctly, with various interpretations of the collision dynamics being discussed.

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Participants mention the need for additional information regarding the nature of the collision (e.g., whether the ball sticks to the rod or bounces off) and how this affects the outcome. There is also a recognition that the choice of pivot point for measuring angular momentum can influence the analysis.

  • #61
barryj said:
I have not seen a problem of this type in any of my physics books. All of the problems I see tend to have the rod fixed to a pivot point and this makes the problem much easier. Can this problem even be solved at all?
Yes. Once you have settled on which variant you are interested in, it can be solved.

I think that three variants are currently on the table:

1. Ball ends at rest. Rod is not anchored. Use conservation of linear and angular momentum to determine final linear velocity and angular velocity of rod.

2. Elastic collision. Rod is not anchored. Use conservation of linear and angular momentum and of kinetic energy to determine final linear velocity and angular velocity of rod and final velocity of ball.

3. Ball ends at rest and elastic collision. Rod is not anchored. Use conservation of linear and angular momentum and of kinetic energy to determine final linear velocity and angular velocity of rod and one additional parameter -- such as the point of impact.
 
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  • #62
Lets start with case #1 above. Given my initial parameters, i.e. Mass of ball = 0.1 kg, mass of rod = 1 Kg,velocity of ball = 10 m/sec, impact 0.4 m from rod center, can we assume the ball will be at rest after the collision. I don't think so.

#2 and #3 might be possible. Which one is the easiest to solve? Let's do that one?
 
  • #63
I solved #3 with d = 0.866
 

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