A snip making fun of the concept of dark matter- why is this incorrect?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around critiques of the concept of dark matter, specifically addressing a satirical take that questions its scientific validity. Participants explore the theoretical underpinnings of dark matter, its necessity in cosmological models, and the potential for alternative explanations, including modified gravity theories.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that dark matter is essential for explaining various cosmological phenomena, such as the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) anisotropy power spectrum and galaxy formation, suggesting that it is not merely a "fudge factor."
  • Others propose that while dark matter is currently the simplest explanation, there are ongoing efforts to explore modified gravity theories that could account for the same observations.
  • A participant notes that if dark matter were to be replaced by modified gravity, a detailed description of the new force or modification would be necessary, which presents significant challenges.
  • Some express skepticism about the complete dismissal of dark matter, citing strong evidence from observations like the Bullet Cluster and gravitational lensing.
  • There is a suggestion that dark matter might be more complex than previously thought, potentially involving multiple types or interactions with baryonic matter.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of modified gravity theories, which may require different laws of gravity for different systems, complicating the theoretical landscape.
  • One participant speculates on the possibility of multiple types of dark matter and dark energy, indicating that the relationship between these components and gravity could be more intricate than currently understood.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus, with multiple competing views on the validity and necessity of dark matter versus alternative theories. The discussion remains unresolved, reflecting a range of opinions and ongoing debates in the field.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on current observational data and theoretical frameworks, as well as the unresolved nature of alternative theories to dark matter. The discussion highlights the complexity of the issues involved and the need for further research.

  • #31
twofish-quant said:
The trouble with these extra particles is that they all come from supersymmetry, and there is not the slightly shred of experimental evidence in favor for supersymmetry, and the theoretical reasons for supersymmetry aren't IMHO that compelling. Replacing one unknown particle with a bizilion unknown particles doesn't see to me to be that much of an improvement.
Even without supersymmetry for specific suggestions, I don't see how extra particles are in any way unexpected regardless.
 

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