A space vehicle splitting into two parts (velocity question)

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a space vehicle that separates into two parts after a controlled explosion. The vehicle's initial velocity is given, along with the masses of the two sections. Participants are tasked with determining the final velocities of each section post-explosion, while applying principles of momentum conservation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of momentum, questioning the initial calculations and units used. There is an exploration of how to set up equations based on momentum before and after the explosion, with some participants attempting to clarify the relationship between the velocities of the two sections.

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The discussion includes attempts to correct misunderstandings regarding momentum and force, with some participants providing guidance on setting up equations. There is a mix of confirmations and further inquiries, indicating an ongoing exploration of the problem without a clear consensus on the final solution.

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Participants express urgency due to a deadline, and there are indications of confusion regarding the correct application of physics concepts, particularly in distinguishing between momentum and force. Some participants also mention the importance of significant figures in their calculations.

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Hi, so i have finished this question but I am not sure if I did it right. Could you guys check it and tell me if its right or show me where i went wrong.
This is the question:
A space vehicle traveling At a velocity of 1400m/s separates by a controlled explosion into two sections of mass 859kg (m1) and 250 kg (m2). The two parts then carry on in the same direction with the heavier rear section moving 120m/s slower than the lighter front section. Determine the final velocity of each section.

Homework Equations


Mass1=859 kg
Mass2:250kg
M1+M2=1109 kg
1109kg x 1400m/s = 1552600 N

The Attempt at a Solution


So the vehicle is creating 1552600N of force, the faster part shouldbe moving slower by 120m so
1552600-120=1552480
1552480/1109 (m1+m2)
=1399.89 m/s
speed of M1 is 1399.89m/s
So the speed of M2 will be 1399.89+120
M2=1519.89m/s
 
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MNWO said:
1109kg x 1400m/s = 1552600 N

This is not force (N = kg·m/s2). It's momentum (kg·m/s), which unfortunately doesn't have a special unit name for it.

So the vehicle is creating 1552600N of force, the faster part shouldbe moving slower by 120m so
1552600-120=1552480

Even after correcting N to kg·m/s, you can't subtract velocity (m/s) from momentum (kg·m/s). The units don't match.

Have you studied conservation of momentum yet?
 
Damn it, could you explain how to work it out? My deadline is tomorrow and this is the only question I am stuck with now.
 
Conservation of momentum means "total momentum after explosion = total momentum before explosion." Can you set up an equation for that?
 
So I have worked it out like this:
Momentum before explosion
mass1 (m1)= 859kg
mass2 (m2)=250kg
859kg+250kg=1109kg
1109kg x 1400ms= 1552600 N
they are moving with two diferrent velocities with the velocity of the smaller mass(v2) moving faster by 120m/s so
v2-v1=120m/s
v2=v1+120 m/s
I can calculate how much more force the second mass will travell with.
250kg x 120ms=30000 N
1552600N-30000N=1522600N
1522600N/1109kg=1372.948602 ms
because i have subtracted the 120ms(30000N) from the total force that means I am calculating v1 so
v1=1372.948602 m/s
v2=1372.948602 +120=1492.948602 m/s
momentum before separation (m1+m2) v = m1 x v1 + m2 x v2 (momentum after separation)
CHECK:
859(m1) x 1372.948602(v1) + 250(m2) x 1492.948602(v2)= 1552600N
I think this is right , took me a long time to figure it out.
 
MNWO said:
v1=1372.948602 m/s
v2=1372.948602 +120=1492.948602 m/s

You got it! :D

The only other thing I would do is round off the final results to a more realistic number of significant figures, corresponding to the numbers that you were originally given. (But it's good to keep the extra digits in the intermediate steps to avoid roundoff error.)
 
I used these extra digits because when i was checking the anwser it was wrong by about 9-10 m/s, then i realized that those numbers after the dot make a difference. Anyways thanks for help I really appreciate it :)
 

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