A spring attached to the other side of the galaxy

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The discussion centers on the mechanics of a spring attached across the galaxy and the propagation of forces through it. When a force is applied to one end of a spring, a decompression wave travels at the speed of sound in the spring material, significantly slower than the speed of light. Given the galaxy's diameter of approximately 120,000 light years, the other end of the spring would not respond for over 120,000 years. The conversation also touches on the behavior of rigid rods under tension, emphasizing that mechanical disturbances cannot propagate instantaneously.

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If you had a spring attached to the other side of the galaxy and pulled on it from one end, it can't instantly stretch on the other side, right? Even though that's what springs do? So what would happen?
 
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A compression wave (well, in this case a "decompression wave" I suppose) would travel along the spring at the speed of sound in the spring. The speed will be significantly slower than light. If the galaxy is taken to be about 120,000 light years in diameter, the receiving end won't notice the tug for well over 120,000 years.
 
gneill said:
A compression wave (well, in this case a "decompression wave" I suppose) would travel along the spring at the speed of sound in the spring. The speed will be significantly slower than light. If the galaxy is taken to be about 120,000 light years in diameter, the receiving end won't notice the tug for well over 120,000 years.

How come only at the speed of sound?
 
malignant said:
How come only at the speed of sound?

That's as fast as a mechanical disturbance will move through a substance (without "breaking it" in some way).
 
malignant said:
If you had a spring attached to the other side of the galaxy and pulled on it from one end, it can't instantly stretch on the other side, right? Even though that's what springs do? So what would happen?

This is basically the same question as asking what happens when you push on one end of rigid rod many ligh-tyears long - does the other end move immediately because the rod is rigid? The answer is no, and there's a pretty decent explanation of why in the FAQ for the relativity forum: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=536289
 
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malignant said:
If you had a spring attached to the other side of the galaxy and pulled on it from one end, it can't instantly stretch on the other side, right? Even though that's what springs do? So what would happen?

This is actually a pretty fun demo to do. All you need is a very weak spring. In other words, a slinky...



In a strong spring, the propagation velocity will be much faster, so it isn't as obvious on normal scales, but effectively, the same thing will happen.
 
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It's the speed of sound because that's what sound is. Sound is a mechanical disturbance moving through an object or medium.
 
cjl said:
This is actually a pretty fun demo to do. All you need is a very weak spring. In other words, a slinky...



In a strong spring, the propagation velocity will be much faster, so it isn't as obvious on normal scales, but effectively, the same thing will happen.


What would happen if you had a very rigid and strong, but also brittle rod and you would suddenly pull it very hard? Would it break?
 
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luitzen said:
What would happen if you had a very rigid and strong, but also brittle rod and you would suddenly pull it very hard? Would it break?

yes, if you pull on it hard enough and suddenly enough.
 
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luitzen said:
What would happen if you had a very rigid and strong, but also brittle rod and you would suddenly pull it very hard? Would it break?

That depends on how hard you pulled it. If your pull force was less than the strength of the rod, you would get a wave traveling through the rod at the speed of sound in the rod. If your pull force was higher than the strength of the rod, it would break.
 

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