A strange wave function of the Hydrogen atom

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The discussion revolves around a wave function of the hydrogen atom expressed in spherical coordinates. Participants are tasked with determining possible values for the measurement of angular momentum \(L_z\), the probability of measuring \(L^2\) as \(6 \hbar^2\), and the minimum energy measurement based on the given wave function.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the implications of the wave function's form, particularly regarding the values of \(m\) and \(l\). There is discussion about the need to decompose the wave function into stationary states and how to evaluate coefficients for eigenfunctions. Questions arise about the necessity of this decomposition and the implications of the wave function's parity.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their reasoning and questioning the assumptions related to the wave function's properties. Some guidance has been offered regarding evaluating inner products, but there is no consensus on the approach to take for the second question or the implications of parity.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the wave function and express uncertainty about how to proceed with the calculations, particularly regarding the dependence on the quantum number \(n\). The discussion also highlights the odd nature of the provided wave function in relation to the even parity requirement for certain eigenstates.

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I am trying to solve the following exercise.

In a H atom the electron is in the state described by the wave function in spherical coordinates:

\psi (r, \theta, \phi) = e^{i \phi}e^{-(r/a)^2(1- \mu\ cos^2\ \theta)}

With a and \mu positive real parameters. Tell what are the possible values of the measurement of L_z, what is the probability that a measurement of L^2 gives the value 6 \hbar^2, and then what is the minimum value of an energy measurement.

First I've observed that m=1, so the only possible measurement for L_z is \hbar. (I'm pretty confident with this reasoning, but not so much.)For the other questions my idea was to rewrite the wavefunction as a linear combination of stationary states of the form \phi_{n,l,1}, but the problem is the square on the r part, and the fact that the angular part \theta is exponentiated.
In fact I've even started to ask myself is if necessary at all to find this decomposition to solve the problem, but nothing comes to mind.
Thank you for listening, every bit of help is appreciated.
 
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omegax241 said:
I am trying to solve the following exercise.

In a H atom the electron is in the state described by the wave function in spherical coordinates:

\psi (r, \theta, \phi) = e^{i \phi}e^{-(r/a)^2(1- \mu\ cos^2\ \theta)}

With a and \mu positive real parameters. Tell what are the possible values of the measurement of L_z, what is the probability that a measurement of L^2 gives the value 6 \hbar^2, and then what is the minimum value of an energy measurement.

First I've observed that m=1, so the only possible measurement for L_z is \hbar. (I'm pretty confident with this reasoning, but not so much.)For the other questions my idea was to rewrite the wavefunction as a linear combination of stationary states of the form \phi_{n,l,1}, but the problem is the square on the r part, and the fact that the angular part \theta is exponentiated.
In fact I've even started to ask myself is if necessary at all to find this decomposition to solve the problem, but nothing comes to mind.
Thank you for listening, every bit of help is appreciated.
To find the coefficient of a particular eigenfunction you do not need to completely decompose the wavefunction. Do you know how to do that?
 
omegax241 said:
Thank you for listening, every bit of help is appreciated.
I've had a look at this. I must admit I don't see how to tackle it. That wave function looks horrible. Sorry, I've no ideas either.
 
PeroK said:
To find the coefficient of a particular eigenfunction you do not need to completely decompose the wavefunction. Do you know how to do that?

Yes, I should evaluate the product:
\langle \phi_{n, l ,m} | \psi \rangle
But suppose I want to tackle the second question, if a value of 6 \hbar is found for L^2 this means that l = 2, and then m = \pm 1 ; \pm 2 ; 0. So I should evaluate the coefficents​
\langle \phi_{n, 2, \pm 1} | \psi \rangle
\langle \phi_{n, 2, \pm 2} | \psi \rangle
\langle \phi_{n, 2, 0} | \psi \rangle

But how can I find a definite number with this n dependence ?
 
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omegax241 said:
Yes, I should evaluate the product:
\langle \phi_{n, l ,m} | \psi \rangle
But suppose I want to tackle the second question, if a value of 6 \hbar is found for L^2 this means that l = 2, and then m = \pm 1 ; \pm 2 ; 0. So I should evaluate the coefficents​
\langle \phi_{n, 2, \pm 1} | \psi \rangle
\langle \phi_{n, 2, \pm 2} | \psi \rangle
\langle \phi_{n, 2, 0} | \psi \rangle

But how can I find a definite number with this n dependence ?
You know that ##m = 1##. It's the variable ##n## that's the problem.
 
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Doesn't parity tell you that an eigenstate of l=2 must be even? The wave function provided is odd.
 
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