A system comprising blocks, a light frictionless pulley, and

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The problem involves a system with blocks, a light frictionless pulley, and connecting ropes, focusing on the dynamics of a 9-kg block on a smooth table and a 12-kg block with rough surfaces. The goal is to determine the mass M that allows the system to descend at constant velocity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss drawing free body diagrams and setting up equations based on the forces acting on each block. Questions arise regarding the forces acting on the hanging mass and the rough block, as well as the application of Newton's Second Law.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the forces involved, with some participants providing insights into the directions of tension and friction forces. Guidance has been offered on applying Newton's Second Law to the blocks, and participants are questioning the effects of the normal force and friction in the context of the problem.

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Participants are considering the implications of the frictional forces between the blocks and the role of the frictionless pulley in the system's dynamics. There is an emphasis on ensuring the correct application of physical laws to analyze the system's behavior.

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Homework Statement


A system comprising blocks, a light frictionless pulley, and connecting ropes is shown. The 9-kg block is on a
smooth horizontal table (μ = 0). The surfaces of the 12-kg block are rough, with μ = 0.30.

In Fig. 5.7, the mass M is set so that it descends at constant velocity when released. The mass M is closest to: A) 2.4 kg B) 3.3 kg C) 3.0 kg D) 3.6 kg E) 2.7 kg

Homework Equations


F = MA
F_u = uN

The Attempt at a Solution


F = (m_1*g) - (m_2*g - u*m_3*g)
since the system is in equilibrium, F = 0
m_1 = m_2 - m_3*u
m_1 = 9 - (12)(.3)
m_1 = 5.4 kg
 
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Draw a free body diagram and then try to set up your equations again.

What forces are acting on the hanging mass, m1?

How about m2?

and then m3?
 
RedDelicious said:
Draw a free body diagram and then try to set up your equations again.

What forces are acting on the hanging mass, m1?

How about m2?

and then m3?
the forces acting on m1 are T1 and m1g
the forces acting on m2 are T1, m2g, and the friction between the two blocks
 
maestro3000 said:
the forces acting on m1 are T1 and m1g
the forces acting on m2 are T1, m2g, and the friction between the two blocks

The first part is good. What equation do you get when you apply Newton's Second Law, F=ma, to that block using those forces?

There's a little bit of trouble here. In what direction do T1 and the friction force act? How about m2g? What do you get when you apply F = ma to this block using these forces?
 
RedDelicious said:
The first part is good. What equation do you get when you apply Newton's Second Law, F=ma, to that block using those forces?

There's a little bit of trouble here. In what direction do T1 and the friction force act? How about m2g? What do you get when you apply F = ma to this block using these forces?
I got T1 = m1g
T1 and the friction force act in the same direction because of the frictionless pulley. I'm not sure if m2g affects the frictional force, because of the normal force being used
 
maestro3000 said:
I got T1 = m1g
T1 and the friction force act in the same direction because of the frictionless pulley. I'm not sure if m2g affects the frictional force, because of the normal force being used

Good on the first part.

Now think about this part carefully. As you initially said, the friction force is between the two blocks, and so the frictionless pulley doesn't factor into this. If two rough objects are being dragged across each other, will the friction force be in the direction of motion or opposite to it?

What are the forces in the y direction acting on m2? Is m2 accelerating in this direction? What does that tell you about them?
 

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