A thought experiment with theory of relativity.

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The discussion revolves around a thought experiment related to the theory of relativity, specifically the implications of an object traveling at the speed of light. It posits that if a fly were to sit on a photon, it would experience time as t=0, suggesting that the photon travels instantly from the sun to Earth. However, participants clarify that particles with mass, like flies, cannot reach the speed of light, and thus the concept of time is meaningless for them at that speed. The conversation also emphasizes that photons lack an inertial rest frame, which is crucial for understanding relativity. Ultimately, the idea of "nothing" at light speed is reframed as "meaningless" in the context of relativity.
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Hi,
I had a question on theory of relativity. It is more of a thought experiment.

As per the theory of relativity, as the speed of an object increases time slows down. If any particle travels faster than the speed of light, theoretically it has to travel back in time. So from this we can deduce that when a particle is exactly at the speed of light t=0.

Thought experiment- let's say a fly sits on a photon that is emitted by the sun. We know that from out standpoint of time, the photon takes approximately 8min 20 sec to reach earth. But let's say that the fly has a stopwatch and it starts the watch when it leaves the sun. As the photon and the fly are traveling at the speed of light, t=0, hence the fly clocks 0 seconds confirms that the photon traveled instantly from sun to earth. Concurring from this, even if the photon travels across the universe, the result i.e t=0 stands same.

Also according to Einstin's theory, time and space are considered to be a single diminution called 'Time Space'. So as the speed of a particle tends towards the the speed of light, it is not just that time slows down but also space has to contract, eventually at exactly the speed of light space also become 0 (null). This brings us to Nothing.

I am a novice. I would love your comments on the same. Thank you.
 
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The contradiction you've thought up is the reason why particles can't go the speed of light and why it makes no sense to talk about what "time" a photon sees.

Time is meaningless to objects that travel at the speed of light.
 
Well, never seen fly sitting on a photon, and there are good reasons for that. First, flies like rotten meat, not photons. Second, they have mass, which means that there exists no frame of reference in which they can move at the speed of light.
However, you can ask how does world looks like from the rest frame of the photon. And answer is, in relativity photons don't have inertial rest frame. It would violate very important postulate that speed of light is the same in any rest frame.
 
Your question is asked frequently. That is why it is covered in the FAQ section. There you will find that instead of your word "Nothing", the word "meaningless" is applied (as Pengwuino) pointed out. You can find a lot more threads on this subject by searching this forum for "meaningless". Lots and lots. And now there is one more.
 
In an inertial frame of reference (IFR), there are two fixed points, A and B, which share an entangled state $$ \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(|0>_A|1>_B+|1>_A|0>_B) $$ At point A, a measurement is made. The state then collapses to $$ |a>_A|b>_B, \{a,b\}=\{0,1\} $$ We assume that A has the state ##|a>_A## and B has ##|b>_B## simultaneously, i.e., when their synchronized clocks both read time T However, in other inertial frames, due to the relativity of simultaneity, the moment when B has ##|b>_B##...

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