A thought on Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP) and a participant's speculative thought on measuring an electron's interference with the fabric of space-time as a means to determine both position and momentum simultaneously. The scope includes conceptual exploration and technical clarification of the HUP.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that measuring the electron's interference with space-time could allow for simultaneous measurement of position and momentum, questioning the limitations of the HUP.
  • Another participant challenges this idea, asserting that the understanding of the HUP is well-established and that the proposed method is not feasible.
  • A third participant notes that particles do not possess well-defined position and momentum at all times, indicating a level of complexity in the discussion of the HUP.
  • There is a mention of the distortion of space-time by mass/momentum, but it is argued that this distortion cannot be measured with the precision needed to achieve the proposed idea.
  • A participant expresses appreciation for the feedback received but emphasizes the importance of their own thoughts and the potential for new ideas to emerge from exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; there are competing views regarding the feasibility of the proposed idea and the interpretation of the HUP.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the nature of particles and the precision of measurements are presented with uncertainty, and the discussion reflects differing levels of understanding about the HUP.

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Let me first start off by saying that I am somewhat new to physics and it's understanding. But I was looking over the Hiesenberg Uncertainty Princple and a thought occurred to me.

The Heisenberg Unvertainty Principle states "More precisely the position is determined, the less precise the momentum is known at this precise moment." However; if it was possible to measure, not the electron itself, but the electron's interferference on fabric of space-time. The position and momentum would be able to be measured at that precise moment.

So imagine how astronomers detect location and movement of planets light-years away. Apply those same mechanics, but at a much smaller scale and only a few inches away.


I may be way off target, but it may be interesting if someone with a much higher understanding delved into it.

If you would like to contact me, about anything else feel free to email at dlinetackle@yahoo.com I quite frequently delve into stuff that is way over my head.
 
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dlinetackle said:
... I may be way off target ...

Ya think?

Read up a bit more on the HUP before you decide that you've come up with an idea that thousands of well-trained and pretty smart physicists have managed to overlook.
 
dlinetackle said:
However; if it was possible to measure, not the electron itself, but the electron's interferference on fabric of space-time. The position and momentum would be able to be measured at that precise moment.

Welcome to PhysicsForums, dlinetackle!

Your assessment of the Uncertainty Principle above is inaccurate at a number of levels. Generally, particles do not possesses well-defined position and momentum at all times (although there is a little wiggle room on that point, just ask Demystifier). Further, spacetime is distorted by the mass/momentum of a particle, but this distortion could not be determined with sufficient precision to get anything close to what you describe.

As phinds mentions, you should read up on the HUP some more. I would recommend following a few of the many threads on this board on the subject, we tend to discuss it often.
 
@ Drchinese, thanks for the eloquent response. I know I don't know enough about it. Thats why I just tossed it out there to see if I was way off base or not.

@ Phinds Just because thousands of people have tried this or that doesn't mean what I have thought about is any less important. Especially to myself. A number of inventions, theories and even a Law or two have been developed through just meandering with the subject. So I appreciate your response, it however; was inadequate in it's effect.
 

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