A very tough convergence (-1)^n * [e-(1+1/n)^n]

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The discussion revolves around analyzing the convergence of the series \(\sum (-1)^n * [e-(1+1/n)^n]\). Participants are exploring both normal and absolute convergence, referencing various convergence tests and mathematical properties.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the Leibniz test for normal convergence, questioning the conditions for convergence and the behavior of the terms as \(n\) approaches infinity.
  • Some suggest using the root test and the limit comparison test, while others express uncertainty about their effectiveness.
  • There is mention of approximating the expression using Taylor series and logarithmic expansions to analyze the limit behavior.
  • Questions arise regarding the validity of Gauss's test and the challenges of proving absolute divergence.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided guidance on potential tests to use, while others are seeking clarification and further explanation of specific methods. There is no explicit consensus on the convergence status of the series at this point.

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Participants note difficulties with certain convergence tests and the need for more information on the series' behavior. There are references to homework constraints and the challenges of using LaTeX for mathematical expressions.

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Hi and sorry if I misplaced the thread.
I'm having quite some trouble with analyzing the convergence of the following series :

Homework Statement

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Determine whether the series is convergent or divergent, absolutely & normally.

[tex]\sum[/tex] (-1)^n * [e-(1+1/n)^n]


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I had troubles both with absolute and normal convergence.

With normal convergence
I tried Leibniz
1)
lim a(n) = 0 Which is ok { lim e-(1+1/n)^n = 0 } as
(1+1/n)^n rises to e when we let n go to infinity.
2)
a(n)=<v>=a(n+1)
I get to a part in which I have [1+1/n]/[1+1/(n+1)]<=1 I put limes on both sides
and get them to equalize. So I guess normal convergence is fine. But I'm not sure of this.



When testing absolute convergence I figured out that I could state that it's smaller then
[tex]\sum[/tex]|e|+|(1+1/n)^n|
but these series diverge so I'm nowhere.
I tried integral test but an integral of [(1+1/n)^n]dn with range of 0 to +infinity doesn't seem solvable.

I need to prove it Diverges absolutely, any ideas?
Sorry for all the bad grammar and anything that I left unclear, it's 2:00 am now /yawn and I just couldn't get LATEX to work, any guides on that matter would be appreciated as well.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Try to think about the root test, it will give you the answer to both of your questions.
 


The series is Leibniz convergent as you showed: (limits to zero, (-1)^n and monotonic decreasing).

I'm not sure about absolute convergence..

*** DO you know about the Limit Comparison Test? ;))

note: |e - (1+1/n)^n| = e - (1+1/n)^n
*because e is always greater then (1+1/n)^n and both of them are always positive.

P.S. I don't see how Cauchy's Root Test will help here...
 
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Well the only thing I can think of ( that I haven't tried ) is Gauss. I'm not sure if his test would work, and I never really understood that test properly anyway. Cauchy's Root Test doesn't help I think.
 


You want to approximate e-(1+1/n)^n. Look at log((1+1/n)^n). Use the taylor series expansion of log(1+x) to get the leading terms.
 


Can you explain a bit more Dick? :)
With the approx. I'm not getting anything new, only that the limit is zero...

* On the other hand, I do have a proof using the Limit comparison test and a tricky limit ;)

*** Love those series questions! but that's it for today, I"ll check the thread in 8 hours.
 


Gomunkul if you're still here I'd like to see that limit comparison test !
I don't know how that works.
I need it badly! >.<
 


http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LimitComparisonTest.html

you need to find a correct series, to compare your series in question with, based on your guess if it is converges or diverges ;)
think about it, check several different series and assumption until you get it.

I'm out...
 


gomunkul51 said:
Can you explain a bit more Dick? :)
With the approx. I'm not getting anything new, only that the limit is zero...

* On the other hand, I do have a proof using the Limit comparison test and a tricky limit ;)

*** Love those series questions! but that's it for today, I"ll check the thread in 8 hours.

Show n*log(1+1/n)=1-1/(2n)+ terms of higher order in n. Now exponentiate it and subtract it from e. You should be able to show e-(1+1/n)^n=e/(2n)+terms of higher order in n. Conclusion? I suspect you are doing a limit comparison test with 1/n. That's a bit more rigorous. I like it better. I'm just doing the physicists approach.
 
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You are right Dick, great Idea.

I need to use Taylor Expansions more!

Basically you got a Harmonic Series in your Taylor expansion of the series in question and we know that those are really fun but do not converge.

** I did use the Harmonic Series for comparison and appropriately the limit I got was e/2 :)
 

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