Absolutely Convergent Series Rearangement Proof: Counterexample and Explanation

  • Thread starter Thread starter quasar987
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Series
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of absolutely and conditionally convergent series, particularly focusing on the implications of rearranging such series. The original poster references a theorem from their textbook that states all rearrangements of absolutely convergent series remain absolutely convergent, while this does not hold for conditionally convergent series. They present a counterexample involving the positive and negative parts of a conditionally convergent series.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the definitions of positive and negative parts of a conditionally convergent series and question the implications of these definitions in relation to rearrangements. There is uncertainty about what the presented example proves and how it relates to the concept of rearrangement.

Discussion Status

The discussion has evolved with some participants recognizing that the original definitions may serve as a lemma to Riemann's theorem regarding rearrangements of conditionally convergent series. However, there is still a lack of clarity on the specific theorem being referenced and its proof, indicating ongoing exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the implications of the definitions provided and the relationship to convergence. There is a mention of a potential divergence in the series, but the exact nature of the counterexample remains under discussion.

quasar987
Science Advisor
Homework Helper
Gold Member
Messages
4,796
Reaction score
32
My book proves that if a series is absolutely convergent, then every rearangement is absolutely convergent also.

They then argue that the thm does not hold for conditionally convergeant series and give as a counter exemple the following thing: Let [itex]\sum a_n[/itex] be a conditionally convergent series and define the positive part of {a_n} by p_n = a_n if a_n > 0 and =0 otherwise and the negative part of {a_n} by q_n = a_n if a_n < 0 and =0 otherwise. Then observe that

[tex]p_n=\frac{a_n+|a_n|}{2}[/tex]

and

[tex]q_n=\frac{a_n-|a_n|}{2}[/tex]

or that inversely,

[tex]|a_n|=p_n-q_n[/tex] and [tex]a_n=p_n+q_n[/tex]

But what does this prove? Where is the rearangement?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
quasar987 said:
My book proves that if a series is absolutely convergent, then every rearangement is absolutely convergent also.

They then argue that the thm does not hold for conditionally convergeant series and give as a counter exemple the following thing: Let [itex]\sum a_n[/itex] be a conditionally convergent series and define the positive part of {a_n} by p_n = a_n if a_n > 0 and =0 otherwise and the negative part of {a_n} by q_n = a_n if a_n < 0 and =0 otherwise. Then observe that

[tex]p_n=\frac{a_n+|a_n|}{2}[/tex]

and

[tex]q_n=\frac{a_n-|a_n|}{2}[/tex]

or that inversely,

[tex]|a_n|=p_n-q_n[/tex] and [tex]a_n=p_n+q_n[/tex]

But what does this prove? Where is the rearangement?

all i can imagine is that neither of those new smaller series is convergent

edit

i think only [tex]p_n[/tex] is divergent so i don't know what that does

mathworld says

If [tex]\Sigma u_k[/tex] and [tex]\Sigma v_k[/tex] are convergent series, then [tex]\Sigma (u_k+v_k)[/tex] and [tex]\Sigma (u_k-v_k)[/tex] are convergent.

but i don't know if the reverse ( or w/e the proper word is ) has to be true

where if [tex]\Sigma u_k[/tex] is divergent then [tex]\Sigma (u_k+v_k)[/tex] is also divergent
 
Last edited:
Ugh. Sorry ice109 if you spent time thinking about this. I just realized that the definitions and observations made in my OP are just a kind of lemma to Riemann's theorem that every conditionally convergent series can be rearranged to converge to any real number or to diverge.
 
quasar987 said:
Ugh. Sorry ice109 if you spent time thinking about this. I just realized that the definitions and observations made in my OP are just a kind of lemma to Riemann's theorem that every conditionally convergent series can be rearranged to converge to any real number or to diverge.

which theorem is that?
 
well I just stated it:

"every conditionally convergent series can be rearranged to converge to any real number or to diverge."
 
quasar987 said:
well I just stated it:

"every conditionally convergent series can be rearranged to converge to any real number or to diverge."

i meant which theorem so i could look up a proof
 
What more can I say other than that it's a thm of Riemann and give you the exact statement? :confused:
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
14
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K