Abstract Algebra: Proving G is Isomorphic to H with Log

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The problem involves proving that the group of positive real numbers under multiplication (denoted as G) is isomorphic to the group of real numbers under addition (denoted as H) using the logarithm function as the isomorphism. Participants are exploring the properties of logarithms and their application in group theory.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the requirements for proving a transformation is an isomorphism, specifically focusing on the homomorphism property. Questions arise regarding the application of logarithmic properties to demonstrate the mapping between G and H.

Discussion Status

Some participants are attempting to clarify the correct properties of logarithms and their implications for the isomorphism. There is a mix of understanding regarding the direction of the mapping and the necessary conditions for establishing the isomorphism.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion about the properties of logarithms, particularly regarding the operations involved in the transformation. Additionally, the discussion highlights the importance of the domains of the functions involved, specifically that logarithms are defined for positive real numbers.

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1. Homework Statement [/b]
The set of positive real numbers, R+, is a group under normal multiplication. The set of real
numbers, R, is a group under normal addition. For the sake of clarity, we'll call these groups G and H respectively.
Prove that G is isomorphic to H under the isomorphism log. (When I write
"log" it means "log(base 10)10" and you should think of it as a function/mapping from G to H).
You don't need to go overboard about proving one-to-one and onto... just appeal to things
you know about the log function.

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can someone please help me on this?

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To prove that a transformation is an isomorphism, you need to prove that it is a homomorphism. If [itex]\phi: G \to H[/itex] is the transformation, this means:

[itex]\phi(ab) = \phi(a) + \phi(b)[/itex]

Do you see why this works for the log function? Next, you need to prove that it is 1-1 and onto.
 
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I'm sorry, but I still do not see how this applies to logarithms...how do logarithms apply in showing that R+ maps to R?
 
also, how can i identify an isomorphism from H onto G? can i just say phi(a+b)=10^(a+b)=10^a times 10^b = phi(a) times phi(b). therefore, log (a+b) = log(a)log(b)?
 
It seems to me very strange that you would be doing a problem in abstract algebra and yet NOT know the properties of logarithms.

It is log(ab)= log(a)+ log(b), not "log(a+ b)= log(a)log(b).

Further since log(x) is only defined for positive x, you must have log(x) taking positive real numbers to real numbers, G--> H in your notation. You have your function going the wrong way.
 
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