Abstract Algebra: Show that 2Z + 5Z = Z

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The problem involves showing that the sum of the sets 2Z and 5Z equals the set of integers Z. The context is abstract algebra, specifically dealing with ideals in the ring of integers.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to express any integer n as a combination of elements from 2Z and 5Z, but expresses uncertainty about how to formalize this argument. Some participants question the validity of the statement, suggesting that their assumptions about the meaning of the operation may be incorrect.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, with some providing insights into the properties of the ideals involved. There is acknowledgment of the need to clarify the definitions and operations being used, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of previous problems related to the properties of 2Z and 5Z, including a counterexample regarding their union not being a subring of Z. The discussion reflects on the assumptions made about the operation "+" and the nature of the sets involved.

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Homework Statement


Show that 2\mathbb{Z} + 5\mathbb{Z} = \mathbb{Z}

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where 2Z + 5Z = {a+b | a in 2Z and b in 5Z} = Z

The Attempt at a Solution


For any n in Z, we can write

n= (5-4)n = 5n +(-4)n = 5n + 2(-2n)
And since 5n is in 5Z and 2(-2n) is in 2Z, we can form Z from any combination of elements of 2Z and 5Z.

What they're asking me to prove makes sense intuitively but I'm not sure how to write it. Thanks for the help.
 
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Maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way, but it doesn't seem true to me. I'm assuming that 2Z = {..., -4, -2, 0, 2, 4, 6, ...} and that 5Z = {..., -10, -5, 0, 5, 10, 15, ...}

I'm also assuming that + means "union."

If my assumptions are reasonable, every element of 2Z + 5Z is in Z, but there are a lot of elements in Z that aren't in 2Z + 5Z, such as 3, 7, 9, 11, 13, 17, and so on.
 
Mark44 said:
Maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way, but it doesn't seem true to me. I'm assuming that 2Z = {..., -4, -2, 0, 2, 4, 6, ...} and that 5Z = {..., -10, -5, 0, 5, 10, 15, ...}

I'm also assuming that + means "union."

If my assumptions are reasonable, every element of 2Z + 5Z is in Z, but there are a lot of elements in Z that aren't in 2Z + 5Z, such as 3, 7, 9, 11, 13, 17, and so on.
The TA said that we're supposed to approach the problem as to show 2Z + 5Z = {a+b | a in 2Z and b in 5Z} = Z. I forgot to paste that into #2. Other than that, you have 2Z and 5Z right. I'm sorry. I was in a rush to get to class and I didn't take my time typing out the post.

I understand where you're going though. In an earlier problem we were asked to show that 2Z U 5Z is not a subring of Z and I used a counterexample based on your reply to show that.
 
The result is true.

The ideals of the ring of integers can be characterized very precisely and simply. Find this characterization.

Now observe that 2 and 5 are relatively prime.
 
OK, that makes more sense.
 

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