Finding Basis for Kernel of Linear Transformations

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The discussion revolves around finding the basis for the kernel of a given linear transformation represented by a set of equations derived from the transformation's output. The participants are exploring the relationships between the variables involved in the transformation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to express variables in terms of others and simplify the system of equations. Questions arise regarding specific steps in the manipulation of these equations, particularly around deriving expressions for the variables.

Discussion Status

The discussion has progressed through various attempts to simplify the equations and identify a basis for the kernel. Some participants have provided guidance on expressing the kernel in vector form, while others have raised questions about the correctness of specific calculations and notations.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing examination of notation and assumptions regarding the representation of vectors in the kernel, with some participants suggesting alternative forms to clarify the basis representation.

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Identify the Hermite form of the following linear transformations and the basis for its kernel

(x,y,z) = (x-y+2z,2x+y-z,-3x-6y+9z)

So when finding basis for kernel we have to set equal to 0, giving:

x-y+2z=0 (1)
2x+y-z=0 (2)
-3x-6y+9z=0 (3)

So from (1) we can see:

x=y-2z

Therefore (2) becomes:

2y-4z+y-z = 0

3y=5z

So (3) becomes:

-5z+6z -10z +9z=0

15z = 15z
z=z

This is as far as I can get, not sure of the next step, any help be fantastic:
 
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andrey21 said:
Identify the Hermite form of the following linear transformations and the basis for its kernel

(x,y,z) = (x-y+2z,2x+y-z,-3x-6y+9z)

So when finding basis for kernel we have to set equal to 0, giving:

x-y+2z=0 (1)
2x+y-z=0 (2)
-3x-6y+9z=0 (3)

So from (1) we can see:

x=y-2z

Therefore (2) becomes:

2y-4z+y-z = 0

3y=5z

So (3) becomes:

-5z+6z -10z +9z=0

15z = 15z
z=z

This is as far as I can get, not sure of the next step, any help be fantastic:

OK, so you've reduced your system to

x=y-2z
3y=5z
z=z

So, you can even reduce this further to

x=3z
y=(5/3)z

so, the kernel is \{(3z,5z/3,z)~\vert~z\in \mathbb{R}\}. Now, can you find a basis for this?
 
Sorry I'm a little confused how you got x=3z??
 
Oh, sorry, that was a mistake.

Basically, you have
x=y-2z
y=(5/3)z

Thus
x=(5/3)z-2z=-z/3

I hope I didn't do any wrong calculations this time.
 
Ok so from what you have said:

=z(-1/3, 5/3, 1)

=(-1/3, 5/3, 1)
 
Yes, that is indeed a basis!
 
Thank you micromass:smile:
 
andrey21 said:
Ok so from what you have said:

=z(-1/3, 5/3, 1)

=(-1/3, 5/3, 1)
Just a comment on notation- what you have written is incorrrect, unless you are assuming z= 1. Better would be to say that any vector in the kernel is of the form (-z/3, 5z/3, z)= z(-1/3, 5/3, 1) so that if z= 1 we have (-1/3, 5/3, 1) showing that the dimension of the kernel is 1 and that a basis (which is a set of vectors) is {(-1/3, 5/3, 1)}.

If you are like me and don't like fractions, you could take z= 3 and say that {(-1, 5, 3)} is a basis.
 

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