AC current and incandescent bulbs

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The discussion revolves around an experiment measuring the flicker frequency of incandescent and CFL bulbs powered by a 60Hz wall plug. Participants are exploring the characteristics of the sinusoidal curves produced during the experiment and the implications of AC current on bulb behavior.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the concept of DC offset in incandescent bulbs and its relation to filament heating. Questions are raised about the flicker frequency and its relationship to the 60Hz wall plug frequency, with some exploring the number of peaks in the AC waveform.

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Some participants are offering insights into the relationship between AC current peaks and the flicker frequency, suggesting that the bulb's behavior may be influenced by the filament's thermal properties. There is an ongoing exploration of how the frequency of the power waveform relates to the observed flicker frequency.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions and implications of AC current characteristics, particularly in relation to the experimental setup and the observed results. There is a focus on understanding the underlying physics without reaching definitive conclusions.

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In my class we did an experiment where we measured the flicker frequency of an incandescent bulb and a CFL bulb (powered by a 60hz wall plug) using a photodiode and a oscilloscope. We were then asked some questions about the sinusoidal curves that were produced.



1. The incandescent bulb probably has a large "DC offset". Why do you think this is?
(im struggling with this question. Does it have something to do with the filament heating up?)



2. Is the flicker frequency for each of them the same as the 60hz wall plug frequency? why or why not?

From the experiment I found out that the frequencies were 120hz but I don't know why?



Please help
 
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KozakDave said:
1. The incandescent bulb probably has a large "DC offset". Why do you think this is?
(im struggling with this question. Does it have something to do with the filament heating up?)
You're definitely on the right track. If you're in a room that's only illuminated by an incandescent bulb, you can tell that it takes a noticeable amount of time for it to completely turn off.

Try calculating how much time passes between each peak of AC that flows through the filament of the bulb.

KozakDave said:
2. Is the flicker frequency for each of them the same as the 60hz wall plug frequency? why or why not?

From the experiment I found out that the frequencies were 120hz but I don't know why?
Have a look at its sinusoidal current waveform. How many peaks are there in a period?
 
1. So maybe because the energy doesn't totally dissipate before the next peak of AC current? The wave is just a big higher because its starting at a different point?

2. So there is two peaks in each period. One in the positive and the other in the negative y axis. So are you trying to say that each peak equates to 60 hz? so why isn't the ac current considered 120hz?
 
KozakDave said:
1. So maybe because the energy doesn't totally dissipate before the next peak of AC current? The wave is just a big higher because its starting at a different point?
I think you have the right idea. Try to formulate it in terms of filament temperature instead.

KozakDave said:
2. So there is two peaks in each period. One in the positive and the other in the negative y axis. So are you trying to say that each peak equates to 60 hz?
No, but since you have two peaks in each period of AC, the bulb "powers up" twice in a period (it doesn't care about current direction). That means something for the frequency of the power waveform and, as a consequence, the frequency of the flickering.
 

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