AC Source/ Variable Resistance

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The problem involves an AC circuit with a generator, variable resistance, capacitor, and inductor. The goal is to determine the inductance L based on the behavior of the circuit at specific frequencies where the current is at half-maximum levels.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between current amplitude and impedance, questioning how to relate the two frequencies to the unknowns L and R. Some express uncertainty about the correct equations to use and whether their algebraic manipulations are valid.

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There is ongoing exploration of the equations involved, with some participants suggesting potential relationships between the variables. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered, and participants are attempting to clarify their understanding of the equations and their implications.

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Some participants note issues with accessing the problem's visual context, which may hinder their understanding. There is also mention of the complexity of the algebra involved in solving for L and R, indicating a challenge in the problem-solving process.

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Homework Statement


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In the figure, a generator with an adjustable frequency of oscillation is connected to a variable resistance R, a capacitor of C = 2.50 μF, and an inductor of inductance L. The amplitude of the current produced in the circuit by the generator is at half-maximum level when the generator's frequency is 2.3 or 2.5 k Hz. What is L?

Homework Equations


1. [tex]I=\frac{\xi_{m}}{Z}cos(\omega_{d}t-\varphi)[/tex]

2. [tex]Z=\sqrt{R_{v}^2+\chi^2}[/tex]

3. [tex]\chi=L\omega-\frac{1}{C\omega}[/tex]

4. [tex]\omega_{r}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{LC}}[/tex]

5. [tex]\Delta\omega=\frac{R}{L}[/tex]

6. [tex]\omega=2\pi\nu[/tex]

Where [tex]\Delta\omega[/tex] is the spread of [tex]\omega[/tex] at .7 times the maximum current (at [tex]\omega_{r}[/tex])

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]I_{res}=\frac{\xi_{m}}{R}[/tex]

At the given frequencies we have

[tex]I=\frac{I_{res}}{2}=\frac{\xi_{m}}{2R}=\frac{\xi_{m}}{\sqrt{R_{v}^2+\chi_{1,2}^2}}[/tex]

The voltage amplitudes cancel and we have one equation and two unknowns.

I was thinking about using equation 5 but that is only for the gap between the two frequencies for [tex]I_{m}=.7I_{res}[/tex] which isn't the case here.
 
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anybody?
 
americanforest said:
anybody?

I'm not seeing the picture. I think the link you used is wrong.
 
learningphysics said:
I'm not seeing the picture. I think the link you used is wrong.

Problem corrected. Sorry
 
As per your equations, at half amplitude you have:

2R = net impedance

so plugging in your two frequencies into this equation... you get two equations. You have two equations with 2 unknowns (L and R). You can solve for L.
 
The equation I come up with at the end is [tex]L=\frac{1}{C^{2}\omega_{1}^{2}\omega_{2}^{2}}[/tex]. Is this right? I seem to be getting the wrong answer with this equation?

I wish I had some kind of elf to do tedious algebra for me...
 
americanforest said:
The equation I come up with at the end is [tex]L=\frac{1}{C^{2}\omega_{1}^{2}\omega_{2}^{2}}[/tex]. Is this right? I seem to be getting the wrong answer with this equation?

I wish I had some kind of elf to do tedious algebra for me...

EDIT: wait: shouldn't it be [tex]L = \frac{1}{C\omega_{1}\omega_{2}}[/tex]
 
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learningphysics said:
EDIT: wait: shouldn't it be [tex]L = \frac{1}{C\omega_{1}\omega_{2}}[/tex]

Indeed it should. Thanks. That kind of mistake is typical of me...
 
oops ... you know that (at resonance), LC = 1/w^2 , with w~2*pi*2.3 KHz ...
at the half-max current (hi_f and lo_f) , chi = (+/-) sqrt(3) R
(... from #2, 4R^2 is mostly inductive at higher frequencies than resonance.)
the algebra isn't very tedious when you eliminate the sqrt(3)R first
 

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