Academic dishonesty as ugrad 5 years ago and grad school admissions

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The discussion revolves around the implications of a past academic dishonesty accusation on future graduate school admissions. Participants explore the nuances of disclosing such incidents, the potential impact on applications, and strategies for addressing the situation in personal statements or additional information sections.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant recounts being accused of cheating despite not having done so, expressing concern about how to address this in graduate school applications.
  • Another suggests that lying is not advisable and that explaining the situation might not be effective, as admissions committees may not believe the explanation.
  • A participant questions whether mentioning being unfairly put on probation would be perceived negatively and if it would be better to focus on personal growth since the incident.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for automatic rejection from graduate programs due to the dishonesty record, with one participant estimating a 90% chance of rejection.
  • Discussion includes whether to disclose the incident if the application does not explicitly ask for such information, with differing opinions on the necessity of transparency.
  • Another participant reflects on the decision to transfer versus completing the degree at the original institution, weighing the implications for future graduate applications.
  • One participant shares a similar experience of being suspended and questions the reliability of their testimony during the incident.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varied opinions on how to handle the disclosure of past academic dishonesty, with no clear consensus on the best approach. Some emphasize the importance of honesty, while others suggest that the admissions committee may not be receptive to detailed explanations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the uncertainty surrounding how admissions committees view past academic dishonesty and the potential consequences of different disclosure strategies. There are also references to varying policies across institutions regarding the reporting of such incidents.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals facing similar situations regarding academic dishonesty and its impact on graduate school applications, as well as those interested in the admissions process and ethical considerations in academia.

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So, five years ago, at a pretty prestigious North American univ, I was accused of cheating on a take home exam. I hadn't cheated, but unluckily, I made careless mistakes that were similar to where I was supposed to be cheating from (and this was on a predominantly maths based paper) and so I wasn't able to convince the academic honesty board that I hadn't. Since then, I've left that college (I was on probation, but felt very insecure about it) and started again (in my country there's no concept of transfers) and I have earned a bachelor's and a master's degree from one of my home country's best unis, both with the eqv. of highest honours, and (of course) there's been no more accusation of dishonesty. So if I apply to US grad schools for a PhD, when I have to mention that I have had dishonesty convictions in my past, and in the additional space, should I just say I felt remorseful and didn't do it again, or should I try explaining that I didn't do it?
I feel like lying would be terrible (and saying I'm remorseful, since I absolutely did not cheat) but it would probably antagonize the grad adcom if I told the truth and didn't accept my guilt, isn't it?
Sorry it's so long, but all answers would be appreciated.
 
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I'm not sure what you should do but lying is not the right thing to do. Trying to explain it will also not really help because I doubt an admissions committee would care (why should they believe you). I suppose all you can say is you were accused, didn't do it, but were unable to convince people you didn't cheat. I bet good recommendations that mention your good character would be helpful in having the committee lean on your side in the matter.
 
When I said lying, I didn't mean that I was not going to disclose the probation. I meant just mentioning the probation and then saying what I've done to improve since then and not saying anything about how I hadn't cheated. (And well, not boasting or anything, but I've managed to have a very good record in supervised exams and done research as well- i can bank on good recs, at least two).
What I really was trying to ask is, should I actually mention that I was unfairly put on probation, or will that appear to be whiny/ not taking responsibility and count against me? Like, will mentioning the fact that I didn't cheat be worse than saying I did it and saying I've since learned to be honest etc.?

Also, do I have any chance of being accepted anywhere? Like, I've heard, I might be immediately thrown out from every where. I was thinking places like Maryland, Michigan, Texas. For Mechanical Engineering.
 
You should explain what you really did or did not do.
 
Has anyone else ever applied to grad school with this kind of situation? Is this an automatic out for most places?
 
I would say 90%.
 
But there are places where the application form does not ask if there were any convictions/suspensions. In that case, since my transcript does not say anything about the incident, should I just neglect to mention it? Or should I put it in the additional info/whatever section?
 
You should report all previous undergraduate and secondary schools that you had attended. Dropping from a U.S. university will surely be a spot on your application that will raise questions.
 
do you think in a case like this, it would be better (if not kicked out of college- but on probation/suspension) to go back after the period of suspension and complete the degree there, rather than transferring elsewhere after rejoining or starting over in another place that doesn't have a transfer opportunity?

As far as future graduate work is concerned, I mean...
I mean, on one hand, going elsewhere, like the thread starter did, might be perceived as admisison of guilt outright.
On the other hand, going elsewhere means univs are more likely to ask for dean's rec from the new uni rather than the one where you got convicted. Is that right?

(For the record, my case is something like: I turned in a problem set, in full view of several other people, and the TA probably lost it and is now blaming me for not turning it in. And apparently my testimony counted for nothing, and none of the other people who were there could be reliably trusted to recall such a thing as minor as my turning in an assignment. Anyway, so I got suspended for a term.)
What ought I to do?
I'm a comp sci major, by the way.
I'm Aussie/American, so I could go back to Australia for school
 
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So, you just registered and thought this is the most interesting thread?
 
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Ah no, I googled this thread, and registered because of it.
 

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