Accelerating Internal OAM Photon Wavefronts Under Gravity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the behavior of internal orbital angular momentum (OAM) photon wavefronts when subjected to acceleration under gravity. Participants explore the implications of this acceleration on the propagation and characteristics of the photon beams, particularly in relation to their speed and divergence.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that wavefronts of internal OAM photons travel slower than light and questions the effects of accelerating such a beam under gravity.
  • Another participant suggests that the beam can be described as a superposition of waves traveling at light speed but at different angles, leading to divergence as each component follows spacetime curvature.
  • A follow-up question seeks clarification on whether the radius of the helix, wavefront speed, and frequency increase as the beam descends, while assuming the helical mode maintains its integrity.
  • It is mentioned that every finite beam of light diverges over distance, with the divergence influenced by the presence of orbital angular momentum.
  • A participant questions how the wavefront speed is reduced if the OAM beam consists of separate beams, proposing that the Poynting vector may follow a helical path.
  • A classical analogy is introduced, comparing the situation to multiple beams tilted slightly with respect to the main motion direction, aligned in a twisting motion, although it is acknowledged that this analogy is not entirely accurate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the behavior of OAM photon wavefronts under gravity, with no consensus reached on the implications of acceleration or the specifics of wavefront speed and divergence.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the behavior of wavefronts and the effects of gravity remain unaddressed, and the discussion does not resolve the mathematical implications of the proposed models.

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It is known that wavefronts of internal OAM photons travel slower than light but I wonder what happens if you accelerate such a beam. This should be possible under gravity.
 
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You can describe it as superposition of waves that do travel at the speed of light (but with different angles). and study how they propagate separately. Your beam will diverge, with each component following the spacetime curvature.
 
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mfb said:
You can describe it as superposition of waves that do travel at the speed of light (but with different angles). and study how they propagate separately. Your beam will diverge, with each component following the spacetime curvature.
Thanks.

Do you mean the radius of the helix, the wavefront speed and the frequency increase as it descends ?
I assume the helical mode maintains its integrity.
 
Every finite beam of light diverges (at least after some distance). Orbital angular momentum will change the divergence a bit.
 
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If the OAM beam is made of separate beams, how is the wavefront speed reduced? Is it because the poynting vector follows a helix ?
 
A classical analogy works quite well: Have multiple beams, all tilted a bit with respect to the main direction of motion, aligned in a twisting motion. That is not completely accurate, but it follows the same idea.
 

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