Accelerating Platform, Tilting Object

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The problem involves a cylindrical tin filled with water sitting on an accelerating platform, with the goal of determining the maximum acceleration of the platform that will prevent the tin from tilting. The context includes considerations of forces acting on the tin and its stability under acceleration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the tin and the concept of the fulcrum, questioning whether it should be at the center due to the symmetry of the tin. There is also consideration of the relationship between the platform's acceleration and gravitational acceleration, and how this affects the direction of "down." Additionally, questions arise about the coefficient of friction and its implications for the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different approaches to the problem. Some have suggested considering the net acceleration's effect on the center of mass and the stability of the tin. Questions about the feasibility of high coefficients of friction have been raised, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the dimensions of the tin and the nature of the materials involved, including the possibility of unusually high coefficients of friction. There is an acknowledgment of the need for further clarification on these points.

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A cylindrical tin, full of water, is sitting on a platform. What is the maximum acceleration of the platform that will not cause the can to tilt?

The dimensions of the tin are known.


I'm unsure how to approach the question first off. My reasoning so far has been along the line of this:

The force from the accelerating platform, ma, will tend to rotate the object, since it is asymetrical, it only acts on the bottom of the tin. But, where is the fulcrum? The tin is a symmetrical body, so should the fulcrum be in its centre? If that IS the case, should I look at moments etc?

Any way of enlightening me on this will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
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One way you might think of this problem is that the acceleration a and the gravitational acceleration g, when added together, effectively tilt the direction of "down" -- down is the direction of the net acceleration. The question then becomes, how far over can you tilt the tin before its center of mass is no longer over its base?
 
Bingo...I had thought of that approach, wasnt too sure tho.

I get a coefficient of friction to stop it sliding also as 1.9...very high! Do materials have coefficients this high? I thought they were usually no greater than 1?
 
Master J said:
Bingo...I had thought of that approach, wasnt too sure tho.

I get a coefficient of friction to stop it sliding also as 1.9...very high! Do materials have coefficients this high? I thought they were usually no greater than 1?

Maybe it's actually glued down! I suppose that it's possible to have two surfaces that really grab each other -- take velcro as an extreme case.
 
Yea I guess so. Actually, looking here in the forums I see someone has mentioned drag racer tires having over 4!
 

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