Acceleration and friction force problem

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The problem involves a bus with a mass of 20 tons accelerating to a speed of 10 m/s over a distance of 50 meters. Participants are tasked with finding the coefficient of friction given a pushing force of 14,000 N. The context includes discussions around acceleration, friction, and energy considerations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants attempt to calculate acceleration using different equations and question the resulting negative friction force. They explore the implications of energy conservation by comparing work done to kinetic energy. Some participants also consider the possibility of misinterpretation of units and question the validity of the problem setup.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants expressing confusion over the calculations and the physical implications of the results. There is a shared sense of uncertainty regarding the problem's parameters, and multiple interpretations are being explored without a clear consensus.

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Participants note potential issues with the problem's formulation, including the possibility of incorrect values or assumptions about the units of mass. The discussion highlights the need for clarity in the problem statement.

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Homework Statement


Mass of the bus is 20 tons. It accelerates to 10 m/s (from initial speed of 0) in 50 meters. Find the coefficient of friction (u) if the force, that pushes the bus = 14*10^3 N

m=20t=20000kg
S=50m
v=10m/s
F=14kN=14000N

The Attempt at a Solution



So we can find out what the acceleration is using
a=2S/v^2
And it will be equal to 1 m/s^2
But, the total force F(total)=F-F(friction)=m*a=14000-F(friction)=20000
So it turns out Force of friction = -4kN. How can this be, what did I do wrong?
 
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I agree with you. It doesn't seem to make sense.

Chet
 
I also agree. Another way of looking at it would be to look at work done by the pushing force which would equal 700 kJ. The kinetic energy of the bus moving at 10 m/s would be 1 MJ so the same problem manifests itself in that consideration too.
 
So we can find out what the acceleration is using a=2S/v^2

The SUVAT equation is..
V^2 = U^2 +2as
U=0
so
a = V^2/2s

but despite that you still get a=1m/s^2

I thought perhaps they meant imperial (US short) Tons rather than metric but that's about 18,100kg and you still get a negative answer.

A strong tail wind is the only thing I can think of.

The friction with the ground is actually what pushes the bus so if the "force that pushes the bus is 14,000N" then the friction force with the ground must also 14,000N. But in that case the bus won't accelerate as fast as stated. I agree it makes no sense.

It's not unknown for teachers/examiners to copy old questions and change the values without checking it all hangs together.
 
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