Acceleration in a Closed Box: Uniform or Varied?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of acceleration experienced by objects within a closed box, particularly whether this acceleration is uniform or varies depending on the conditions. Participants explore the implications of sudden versus gradual acceleration and how these scenarios relate to the experience of gravity.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that it is impossible to distinguish between acceleration in a closed box and gravitational acceleration, suggesting this is always the case.
  • Others question the meaning of "gradual" versus "sudden" acceleration, proposing that the nature of the acceleration may affect how objects respond.
  • One participant describes a scenario involving a bowling ball and a pool ball in an accelerating box, raising questions about how mass affects their behavior under sudden acceleration.
  • There is a discussion about the behavior of plumb lines in a gravitational field versus an accelerating box, with some arguing that the plumb lines would remain parallel in the box while diverging in a gravitational field.
  • Another participant challenges the validity of comparing gravitational forces to acceleration, suggesting that the nature of gravity and acceleration differs fundamentally.
  • Concerns are raised about the effects of the floor's properties on the behavior of the balls during acceleration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of acceleration in a closed box versus gravitational effects, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations in the proposed experiments, such as the dependence on the nature of the gravitational source and the effects of acceleration on objects of different masses. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the nuances of these scenarios.

  • #31
danR said:
I can't speak for Mike, but I assume he means is that we (Bob) remove the box and its contained observer (Alice) to a (hypothetical) gravity-free region (yes I know that's impossible), but we don't tell Alice we did that (we are very sneaky Bobs). We also give Alice a powerful sedative before we turn on the drive (which is an extra-sneaky quiet drive), so she wakes up and says:

"Hey! I'm in a gravity field! My rocket ship must have landed on a distant planet!"

Now, I know I've given enough rope for you to hang me with, but please don't hang the others.
That's pretty good danR so long as the acceleration was constant.I doubt there are many regions in space where your weight changes.
 
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  • #32
Yes, it will feel like you fell on the ground, or jumped off a building, etc.
That was the point if you were stood in the box and you felt like you fell or jumped then you would know you were being accelerated and not in a gravity fied. People standing in a gravity field don't genrally fall to the ground.The acceleration would have to be uniform and constant to avoid this.
 
  • #33
Buckleymanor said:
That was the point if you were stood in the box and you felt like you fell or jumped then you would know you were being accelerated and not in a gravity fied. People standing in a gravity field don't genrally fall to the ground.The acceleration would have to be uniform and constant to avoid this.

No. You’re changing things around.

When I said you will feel like you fell on the ground, or jumped off a building, I was directly responding to your question about objects subjected to violent or sudden acceleration, not constant acceleration. Please look at the second part of post #2. I clearly quoted your comment and responded to it. How is it possible for you to have misunderstood this?

Anyway, I’m kind of dense. It took me way too long to realize that participation in this thread is pointless. I am unsubscribing.

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Einstein was one of the smartest people in history. He was a genius among geniuses, and as smart as he was, he spent 10 years developing the general theory of relativity. Now out of all the brilliant scientists in the last 100 years, no one has seen the flaw with Einstein’s idea of the equivalence principle except you. Congratulations. I do wish you the best in your endeavors.

-Mike G.
 
  • #34
MikeGomez said:
No. You’re changing things around.

When I said you will feel like you fell on the ground, or jumped off a building, I was directly responding to your question about objects subjected to violent or sudden acceleration, not constant acceleration. Please look at the second part of post #2. I clearly quoted your comment and responded to it. How is it possible for you to have misunderstood this?

Anyway, I’m kind of dense. It took me way too long to realize that participation in this thread is pointless. I am unsubscribing.

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Einstein was one of the smartest people in history. He was a genius among geniuses, and as smart as he was, he spent 10 years developing the general theory of relativity. Now out of all the brilliant scientists in the last 100 years, no one has seen the flaw with Einstein’s idea of the equivalence principle except you. Congratulations. I do wish you the best in your endeavors.

-Mike G.
Sorry you feel that way Mike. I don't imagine Einstein's theory of equivalence is in much danger of being refuted.However I can't see the problem in questioning it if it helps to understand more about it.If you don't ask you don't learn and someone who has never made a mistake has never done anything.
 
  • #35
When I said you will feel like you fell on the ground, or jumped off a building, I was directly responding to your question about objects subjected to violent or sudden acceleration, not constant acceleration. Please look at the second part of post #2. I clearly quoted your comment and responded to it. How is it possible for you to have misunderstood this?
And by the way I did not misunderstand this put in context with your first answer.
Yes, this is always the case.

You are reinforcing your pre-concieved assumpton by replying with.
Yes, it will feel like you fell on the ground, or jumped off a building, etc.
There is no mention whatsoever about constant acceleration or otherwise.
 

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