Acceleration of a 2D circle due to Gravity.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the acceleration of a circle rolling down an inclined plane due to gravity, as well as the dynamics of a top-heavy object, specifically a wooden plank that is partially elevated. Participants explore the relationships between linear and angular motion, torque, and the effects of gravitational force on these objects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to understand how to calculate the acceleration of a circle rolling down an inclined plane, expressing familiarity with sliding bodies but not with rolling ones.
  • Another participant suggests that the object in question could be a uniform thin ring or a uniform disc, detailing the relationship between linear velocity and angular velocity, and providing equations related to forces and moments.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of calculating the fall of a top-heavy object, noting that as the plank falls, it acquires horizontal velocity and the point of contact may shift depending on the coefficient of friction.
  • Participants discuss the point of application of gravitational force on the plank, with one asserting that it acts at the center of mass and explaining the implications for torque and balance.
  • There is a clarification that while the weight acts uniformly throughout the plank, it can be treated as acting at the center for practical calculations unless bending is considered.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of gravitational force at the center of mass for the plank, but there remains some uncertainty regarding the specifics of calculating the dynamics of both the rolling circle and the top-heavy plank. Multiple competing views on the calculations and implications exist, particularly regarding the effects of friction and the behavior of the plank as it falls.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about uniformity in the objects discussed, the dependence on the coefficient of friction for the plank's behavior, and unresolved mathematical steps in the calculations presented.

clm222
Hello
Im wondering how to calculate the acceleration of a circle down an inclined plane (due to gravity). I am familiar with caclulating the acceleration of a body sliding down a inclined plane, but not a circle. How do you determine the acceleration of a circle (preffer rotation per second, if possible).
I also would like to know how to calculate the fall of a top-heavy object that has enough mass to fall, yes has a base on the ground (ie-a wooden plank with one end in the air, the other on the ground)
 
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clm222 said:
I also would like to know how to calculate the fall of a top-heavy object that has enough mass to fall, yes has a base on the ground (ie-a wooden plank with one end in the air, the other on the ground)

The gravitational force (weight) on the plank can be considered to act at its centre of mass. If the plank is not completely vertical, then the centre of mass is not lined up with the contact point between the floor and the plank (at the base). This results in the gravitational force producing a torque around this contact point. If you know the torque and the moment of inertia of the plank, you can then compute the angular acceleration and hence the rotation angle of the plank vs. time.
 
clm222 said:
Hello
Im wondering how to calculate the acceleration of a circle down an inclined plane (due to gravity). I am familiar with caculating the acceleration of a body sliding down a inclined plane, but not a circle. How do you determine the acceleration of a circle (prefer rotation per second, if possible).
I assume you mean either a uniform thin ring or a uniform disc, radius r, rolling down a plane.
Such an object acquires both linear velocity, v, and angular velocity, ω. Because it is rolling, these are related by v = rω. Likewise the accelerations, [itex]\dot{v} = r\dot{ω}[/itex].
There will be frictional force F acting up the plane. If the angle of the plane to horizontal is θ:
[itex]m\dot{v} = mgsin(θ) - F[/itex] (resolving parallel to plane)
[itex]M\dot{ω} = Fr[/itex] (moments about centre of object)
where M is the moment of inertia of the object. For a thin ring that's mr2; for a disc it's half that.
You can solve between the three equations.
I also would like to know how to calculate the fall of a top-heavy object that has enough mass to fall, yes has a base on the ground (ie-a wooden plank with one end in the air, the other on the ground)
That's more complex than it sounds. As the plank falls sideways it acquires a horizontal velocity. At some point before impact the point of contact is going to move. Precisely when depends on the coefficient of friction.
It may even become airborne at some point.
 
Thanks, I'll have to learn 3D vectors/inertia/torque, I was planning to do so anyways, thank you
 
Will the weight be acting on the top of the plank, or the center? Which do you usually use in physics?
 
clm222 said:
Will the weight be acting on the top of the plank, or the center? Which do you usually use in physics?

cepheid said:
The gravitational force (weight) on the plank can be considered to act at its centre of mass.

It's not actually a choice or a convention. The weight really does act here. If you try to support a horizontal bar at its centre of mass, it will be balanced. If you try to support it at one of its ends, it will pivot around that point, because the weight (which acts in the centre) produces a torque around the pivot point.
 
clm222 said:
Will the weight be acting on the top of the plank, or the center? Which do you usually use in physics?
Assuming the plank is uniform, you can treat it as acting at the centre. Of course, it really acts uniformly right through the plank, but unless you want to take into account bending you don't need to worry about that.
 

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