Acceleration operator and the electron in a hydrogen atom

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the acceleration operator in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of the electron in a hydrogen atom. Participants explore the implications of using a spherically symmetric potential and the challenges in calculating expectation values related to acceleration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant discusses the derivation of the acceleration operator from the Heisenberg equation of motion and notes that the expectation value of acceleration is zero for every state, while the RMS value is expected to be non-zero.
  • Another participant suggests that considering the finite proton radius could yield a finite value for the expectation, although this does not apply to positronium.
  • A participant expresses confusion over the divergent result when calculating the expectation value of the acceleration operator and questions whether this indicates a deeper issue with the operator or the use of the Coulomb potential in quantum mechanics.
  • One participant compares the situation to calculating the expectation value of 1/|x| for the 1D harmonic oscillator, noting that the expectation value is infinite and suggesting that this does not imply a pathology but rather reflects practical measurement limitations.
  • A participant inquires about alternative methods for differentiating an operator.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the divergent results related to the acceleration operator, with some suggesting that finite considerations could resolve the issue while others remain uncertain about the interpretation of these results. No consensus is reached on the nature of the acceleration operator as an observable in quantum mechanics.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the assumptions of point-like particles and the implications of using the Coulomb potential in quantum mechanics, as well as the challenges in measuring certain quantities due to divergences.

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I am wondering about acceleration in quantum mechanics. Let's consider spherically symmetric potential V(r). From the Heisenberg equation of motion, one finds the time derivative of the momentum operator

\dot{\hat{p}}=\frac{i}{\hbar}\left[\hat{H},\hat{p}\right] = -\nabla V,
from which we can construct an acceleration operator simply by

\hat{a} = -\frac{1}{m} \nabla V .
I then want to apply this to the electron in a hydrogen atom. The expectation value of the acceleration is undoubtedly zero for every state. But the RMS-value could be expected to be non-zero. The calculation of the expectation value

\langle \Psi_{nlm} | \hat{a}^2 | \Psi_{nlm} \rangle
for the ground state

\Psi_{100}(r,\theta,\phi)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{\pi a_0^3}}e^{-r/a_0}
gives a divergent result due to the Coulomb potential. The same evidently happens with all other states of hydrogen as well. I don't know how to interpret this result. Is acceleration not a good observable in quantum mechanics?
 
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You should get a finite value if you take into account that the proton radius is finite. That does not help for positronium, of course.
Alternatively, you could consider <|a|>.
 
Thanks mfb!

mfb said:
You should get a finite value if you take into account that the proton radius is finite. That does not help for positronium, of course.
I thought about assigning the problem to the Coulomb potential, but as you say, it does not save the case of a "point nucleus" (e.g. positronium).


mfb said:
Alternatively, you could consider <|a|>.
You are right, \langle |\hat{a}| \rangle gives a finite value. But it seems strange that the RMS expectation cannot be calculated. I wonder if this reflects some deeper property of the "acceleration operator", or just misuse of the Coulomb potential in ordinary QM, etc.
 
You would have the same problem if, say, you wanted to calculate the expectation value of 1/|x| for the 1D harmonic oscillator ground state. The expectation value really is infinite. I don't think this indicates any sort of pathology (it does suggest that in practice no apparatus can really measure the quantity 1/|x|, which is sensible: any real apparatus will have a finite position resolution which will cut off the divergent integral).
 
Is there some other way to differentiate an operator?
 

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