Accelerators and fusion of elements

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of creating gold from iron using particle accelerators and the conditions necessary for such transformations. It touches on theoretical aspects of nucleogenesis, the historical context of alchemy, and the practical applications of accelerators in nuclear physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that gold could be obtained from iron through processes occurring in particle accelerators, citing conditions similar to those in supernovae.
  • Another participant asserts that the synthetic creation of gold from iron is technologically impossible and will remain so for a long time.
  • A participant references the transmutation of lead into gold by Glen Seaborg in 1980, suggesting that particle accelerators serve different purposes than nucleogenesis.
  • One post mentions a specific nuclear reaction involving Hg-196 and neutrons to produce Au-197, implying a simpler method for gold creation.
  • A later reply expresses curiosity about the cross section for neutron capture of Hg-196, indicating an interest in the technical details of the reaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of creating gold from iron and the role of particle accelerators in such processes. No consensus is reached regarding the technological possibilities or the implications of historical alchemical practices.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the technological capabilities of current particle accelerators and the specific conditions required for nucleogenesis. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of historical transmutation events.

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Hi. On a general discussion forum, we were debating wether gold could be obtained from iron; I argued that this is possible, since we are at the moment recreating, in accelerators, even harsher conditions that those necessary for the creation of gold (i.e. those of a supernova core collapse). A fellow member made the following statement:
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I think that "syntetical" creation of iron or gold as well as the transformation of iron into gold is technologically impossible and will remain so for a very, very, very long time.

What scientists actually do in those accelerators (e.g. at Stanford) when they refer to "conditions similar to the big-bang" is that they destroy two particles, originally an electron and a positron by accelerating them and have them collide and annihilate each other. The resulting "energy-plasma" is considered to be similar to that shortly after the big-bang...
Is he correct? Thanks.
 
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Hg-196 + neutron > Au-197
Alchemists of old just needed a simple neutron. Cheers, Jim
 
Glen Seaborg transmuted Lead into Gold in 1980. The purpose of particle accelerators is not nucleogenesis, but rather examining the internal structure of smaller things, like individual protons, neutrons, quarks, and the like.
 
NEOclassic said:
Hg-196 + neutron > Au-197
Alchemists of old just needed a simple neutron. Cheers, Jim

Huh, nifty. I wonder what the cross section for neutron capture of Hg 196 would be?
 
Thanks a lot guys! You have been very helpfull.
 

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