Adding and subtracting vectors using vector diagrams

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The discussion focuses on the proper methods for adding and subtracting vectors using vector diagrams. Key points include the importance of drawing vectors 'tip-to-tail' or using a parallelogram for accurate representation. The original poster (OP) made errors in their diagram and calculations, particularly in applying the cosine law, which should use a minus sign rather than a plus sign. Despite these mistakes, the OP's final calculation for the sum of the vectors was surprisingly accurate. The conversation emphasizes the need for correct diagram usage to achieve the intended results in vector addition and subtraction.
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Classical Mechanics
Relevant Equations
s= (a^2 + b^2 + 2ab cos alpha)^1/2
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Check your math -- and is your calculator set up for radians or for degrees ?

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Ishfa said:
Relevant Equations: s= (a^2 + b^2 + 2ab cos alpha)^1/2

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It would be best to sort out part a) first. There are some mistakes. The first two are:

1) The diagram is wrong. When adding vectors using a diagram, you draw the vectors 'tip-to-tail' or construct a suitable parallelogram.

2) The correct formula for the cosine law is ##c^2 = a^2 + b^2~–~ 2ab \cos\alpha## (where ##\alpha## is the internal angle between sides a and b). But you have used a plus sign.

Surprisingly I agree with ##|\vec a + \vec b| = 4.4587##. It looks like some mistakes cancelled!

Minor edit.
 
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Steve4Physics said:
Surprisingly I agree with ##|\vec a + \vec b| = 4.4587##. It looks like some mistakes cancelled!
The expressions for the magnitudes are obtained from
##|\mathbf a + \mathbf b|^2=(\mathbf a + \mathbf b)\cdot(\mathbf a + \mathbf b)=a^2+b^2+2ab\cos\alpha##
##|\mathbf a - \mathbf b|^2=(\mathbf a - \mathbf b)\cdot(\mathbf a - \mathbf b)=a^2+b^2-2ab\cos\alpha##
where ##\alpha## is the angle between the two vectors when placed tail-to-tail, here 125°.

In the vector diagram, ##\vec S## is the difference, but the calculation below it is correct for the sum.
 
kuruman said:
In the vector diagram, ##\vec S## is the difference, but the calculation below it is correct for the sum.
The OP has incorrectly drawn the Post #1 diagram, believing (wrongly) that ##\vec s = \vec a + \vec b##.

Then they have ignored their diagram and used:
Ishfa said:
Relevant Equations: s= (a^2 + b^2 + 2ab cos alpha)^1/2
which gives the correct value.

The OP should note thast the question specifically says “By constructing vector diagrams, find the magnitudes and directions of …”.

If the OP had used their (incorrect) diagram correctly, they would have obtained ##|\vec S| \approx 8.4##.
 
Steve4Physics said:
The OP has incorrectly drawn the Post #1 diagram, believing (wrongly) that ##\vec s = \vec a + \vec b##.

Then they have ignored their diagram and used:

which gives the correct value.

The OP should note thast the question specifically says “By constructing vector diagrams, find the magnitudes and directions of …”.

If the OP had used their (incorrect) diagram correctly, they would have obtained ##|\vec S| \approx 8.4##.
That's another way of looking at it.
 
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