Adding Scalar Multiples of Vectors in a Graph

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the process of adding scalar multiples of vectors, specifically focusing on the vector equation \(\vec{C} = \vec{A} + 2\vec{B}\). Participants explore the graphical representation of vector addition, addressing both conceptual understanding and practical drawing techniques.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a vector addition problem and seeks confirmation on their graphical representation.
  • Another participant emphasizes the correct method of vector addition, stating that the tail of the second vector should be placed at the head of the first vector.
  • Several participants express confusion about the orientation and placement of vectors, with some questioning whether vectors should be drawn horizontally or in other orientations.
  • There is a discussion about the length and direction of the vectors involved, with specific references to the lengths of vectors A and B and their respective directions.
  • One participant suggests that the resultant vector should be drawn from the origin to the endpoint of the second vector, indicating a misunderstanding of the graphical representation.
  • Another participant critiques the multiple diagrams presented, pointing out inconsistencies in their starting points and lengths.
  • Throughout the discussion, participants provide corrections and clarifications to each other's interpretations of vector addition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct graphical representation of the vectors. There are multiple competing views on how to accurately depict the addition of vectors, and confusion persists regarding the proper method of placement and orientation.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the implications of their vector placements and the resulting diagrams, indicating a reliance on visual representation that may not fully capture the mathematical relationships involved.

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Homework Statement


Draw the vector [tex]\vec{C} = \vec{A}+2\vec{B}[/tex]
vectorquestion.JPG


Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


This is what i have i don't know if it is correct
vectorquestion1.JPG


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Hi Paymemoney! :smile:

No, that's not right.

When adding vectors, go to the end of the first vector, then tack on the second vector. :wink:
 
ok so is this what it should look like:
vectorquestio2.JPG
 
Why have you bent it??

Put it back and start again!

(if it's broken, you'll have to pay for it :frown:)
 
how i do this without bending it? So is it only meant to go horizontally?
 
Paymemoney said:
how i do this without bending it? So is it only meant to go horizontally?

Yes, of course. And to the left.
 
so would this be correct.
vectorquestion3.JPG


does it matter where you place the vector, because when i placed it in the middle it was incorrect??

vectorquestion4.JPG
 
Hi Paymemoney! :smile:

(just got up :zzz: …)
Paymemoney said:
so would this be correct.

Nooo …

I think I need to give you the answer:

To add two vectors, you must place the "tail" of the second vector against the "head" of the first vector: the sum is then the vector to that point (from where you started).​

(or the other way round, of course: place the "tail" of the first vector against the "head" of the second vector: it makes no difference)

So in this case, you draw A which is an arrow going 4 to the right, then you draw B which is an arrow going 2 to the left, and you draw that 2 starting at the end of the 4, so you end up with an everall vector of A + 2B being 2 to the right.

(this is just like adding vectors to make a triangle, except that in this case the triangle is flat :wink:)
 
tiny-tim said:
So in this case, you draw A which is an arrow going 4 to the right, then you draw B which is an arrow going 2 to the left, and you draw that 2 starting at the end of the 4, so you end up with an everall vector of A + 2B being 2 to the right.
ok, this is what i got from your explanation, so just to make sure i have interpreted your explanation correctly here it is again(hopefully correct -_-).
vectorquestion5.JPG


tiny-tim said:
(this is just like adding vectors to make a triangle, except that in this case the triangle is flat :wink:)

yeh, I'm used to looking at the full triangle.
 
  • #10
Paymemoney said:
ok, this is what i got from your explanation, so just to make sure i have interpreted your explanation correctly here it is again(hopefully correct -_-).

I don't understand what you've done here. :confused:

Start on the axis, draw a blue line for A, then from the end of that draw a red line for 2B. Now draw a green line from the axis to the end of the red line (as if you were completing a triangle).
 
  • #11
ok here it is

vectorquestion5.JPG



why don't you draw it for me coz i don't think I'm getting anyway.
 
  • #12
after thinking more about it, i have come to a conclusion that this may be the answer but I'm not sure:

vectorquestion6.JPG
 
  • #13
No, not right. A is 4 units long and points to the right. B is 1 unit long and points to the left. 2B is 2 units long and points to the left.

For the sum A + 2B, start at 0, go 4 units to the right. Now tack 2B on. Where do you end up? The vector from 0 to where you ended up is A + 2B.

Since all vectors involved here are horizontal, the sum will be a horizontal vector: one that points either to the right or to the left.
 
  • #14
What do you mean by "Now tack 2B on"?
 
  • #15
2B or not 2B ?

Paymemoney said:
What do you mean by "Now tack 2B on"?

Mark44 :smile: means "tail to head" (as I also explained in post #8)
 
  • #16
ok, i had another go at it, and this is what i got:

vectorquestion7.JPG
 
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  • #17
We're 16 posts into this thread, and you still aren't getting it. Why do you have two diagrams? Are we supposed to pick one?

In the right diagram, the resultant (black) vector starts at the right place, but it's too short. In the left diagram, the resultant vector is the right length, but it starts at the wrong place.
 
  • #18
well i finally got the answer =___=, yeh it took me awhile because i didn't read the answer you gave me correctly. thanks for the help anyways.
 

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