Adding Two Waveforms to find the final Phasor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the process of adding two waveforms represented as phasors, specifically focusing on the calculation of the resultant phasor from the given waveforms. Participants explore the conversion between polar and rectangular forms, the precision required for answers, and the implications of grading criteria in a homework context.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the waveform equation and details the conversion from polar to rectangular form, ultimately calculating the resultant phasor.
  • Another participant suggests that the grading may require exact values for angles rather than decimal approximations, expressing frustration over the grading criteria.
  • A third participant notes the importance of precision in the context of the 1% error margin, emphasizing that small errors in angle can lead to significant discrepancies in the resultant waveform.
  • Further discussion highlights the potential for misunderstanding the grading algorithm and its sensitivity to errors in phasor angle.
  • One participant proposes testing the phasor in rectangular form as an alternative to polar form, suggesting that rounding errors might be negligible.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the grading criteria and the precision required for answers. There is no consensus on the exact requirements for the phasor representation or the implications of the grading algorithm.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the potential for significant relative error in the resultant waveform based on the accuracy of the phasor angle, particularly near specific values of time. There is uncertainty about the exact nature of the grading algorithm and how it evaluates answers.

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Homework Statement
Find the phasor which corresponds to v(t), which is the sum of two waveforms:

v(t) = 2cos(8t+180) + 10cos(8t+30) volts

find phasor "V" for the above waveform

phase angles are given in degrees
answers are to be given in radians for exp. form, or rectangular form.
Relevant Equations
r ∠⦵ = r*e^(i*⦵) (polar to exponential notation)
rcos(wt+⦵) = r∠⦵
basic trig formulas, vector addition
v(t) = 2cos(8t+180) + 10cos(8t+30) volts
polar form
= 2∠180 + 10∠30

convert to rectangular to add vectors
= (2cos180 + i*2sin180) + (10cos30 + i*10sin30)
= (-2 + i*0) + (8.66 + i*5) = 6.66 + i*5

find ⦵ and r of sum of vectors
⦵ = arctan(5/6.66) = 0.64
r = sqrt(5^2 + 6.66^2) = 8.33

V = 8.33*e^(i*0.64) ("incorrect answer")

note: I successfully answered another phasor question using this exact entry format. For this question I have tried entering the phasor in exponential (radians and degrees just to check) as well as rectangular.

For a previous question I was graded incorrect for not using the constant "pi" in my answer, could I be missing something like that here or is there a problem with my calculation?

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So I think I figured it out.

Since all the angles are nice angles like 30, 60, 180 etc. they expect you to enter answer as exact numbers (i.e. cos45 = "sqrt(2)/2" instead of "0.71"). Really frustrating that they won't accept both, especially since the instructions include a line saying "answers must be correct to 1%". I assumed that means two decimal places is acceptable.

Anyways, consider this one solved.
 
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Your answer looks close to what I got. Sometimes these "type in the box" homework/test problems can be stubborn. Have you tried degrees, or maybe more digits of precision?
Note that 1% does not necessarily mean 2 digits. Suppose the angle is pi/6 radians (30 degrees)
pi/6 in decimal is 0.5235987756 and 1% of that is .005235987756

When you get values much smaller than this, you could run into where just giving 2 digits will be more than 1% away from the true answer.
 
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Good point about the 1%. I will try more decimals for some of the others because I am still having some entry problems.
 
rudy said:
Since all the angles are nice angles like 30°, 60°, 180° etc. they expect you to enter answer as exact numbers (i.e. cos45° = "sqrt(2)/2" instead of "0.71"). Really frustrating that they won't accept both, especially since the instructions include a line saying "answers must be correct to 1%". I assumed that means two decimal places is acceptable.
Right you are.

It's difficult to know the details of how the percent error is determined (by the grading algorithm).

If all that was checked were the phasor amplitude and angle, then you would be fine. Each of your answers for those is within ±1% .

However, if there is any error in the phasor angle, then the relative error in the resulting waveform will be huge for some values of ##t## . This is particularly true at those values of ##t## near the zeros of the given waveform, v(t). I tried a few values for ##t## using your phasor values. At ##t=0## you have less than 0.3% error. For all values of ##t## between ##t=0.110## and ##t=0.122## the (absolute value of the) relative error is greater than 8%. The given waveform has a zero about mid-way between those values.

I have no idea how the grading algorithm might be constructed.

Here's an idea ...
Is it required that your answer for the phasor, ##\vec V ##, actually be in "polar" form? If not, try something like ##\vec V = (6.66 + 5i)##. (Try it anyway.)
Although that form has a small amount of rounding error, it's extremely small.
 
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