Inductance: given V waveform, find I

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the current through an inductor given a specific voltage waveform over time. Participants explore the relationship between voltage and current in inductive circuits, addressing the application of integral calculus to find current at different time intervals. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification related to inductance and current behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a voltage waveform and seeks to find the current at specific times, questioning how to apply the integral in the current equation.
  • Another participant suggests using the integral of voltage to find current, emphasizing the importance of the initial condition at t=0.
  • It is noted that the current at t=2 ms is 10 A, which becomes the initial condition for the next interval where voltage is zero.
  • A participant proposes that the analysis can be reset at t=4 ms, treating it as a new starting point for calculating current at t=5 ms.
  • There is a discussion about the mathematical validity of substituting time intervals and the implications of voltage application duration on current calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of using integrals to find current but express differing views on how to handle the transition between time intervals and the implications of initial conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of current values at specific times.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the physical background of the calculations and the implications of constant voltage on current behavior. There are also unresolved questions about the correct interpretation of current at t=5 ms based on previous intervals.

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Homework Statement


An inductance of 3 mH has the following voltage waveform: for 0<t<2\text{ }ms, v=15\text{ }V; for 2ms<t<4ms, v=0; and for 4\text{ }ms<t<6\text{ }ms, v=-30\text{ }V. Assuming i(0)=0, find the current at time (a) 1 ms, (b) 4 ms, (c) 5 ms.

Ans. (a) 5 A; (b) 10 A; (c) 0

Homework Equations


u(t)=L\frac{di(t)}{dt} \Rightarrow i(t)=\frac{1}{L}\int v(t)dt

The Attempt at a Solution


Even for (a) case (for which I somehow get the "correct" solution :approve:), I'm not sure about the physical background: how do I use integral in i(t) equation if I have to find currents at particular instances for t = {1, 4 and 5}?!

[PLAIN]http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/9894/dsc00990k.jpg

(a) i(t=1)=\frac{15}{L}\int dt=5t=5\text{ }A

(b) What is v(t=4) ... 0 V or -30 V?

(c) As in (a) case, i(t=5)=\frac{-30}{L}\int dt=-10t=-50\text{ }A \neq 0\text{ }A
 
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As the voltage is constant between those two intervals, (t=0, t=2), your integral will give you i(t)=\frac{1}{L}Vt + C.

Here the constant is the value of the current at time t=0. It is given that i(0)=C=0.

As L=3mH, V=15v and t=1ms, substituting these values you get your answer.

Second part or your answer requires the current at t=4ms.

Before we get to t=4, what was the state at t=2?

Using the above realation, the current at t=2ms was 10A. This was your initial current, and thus C=10A in this case (I'm referring to the integration constant).

Using the same equation, as V=0, i(t=2,t=4)=C=10 A (it is constant between t=2ms and t=4ms).

Similarly, can you work out the last part?
 
So the last part can be isolated? So that the initial current at t=4 is 10 A ... and t=4 can be thought of as t=0? Then t=5 is equivalent to t=1:
i(t=5)=\frac{1}{3}(-30)(1)+10=0\text{ }A

I also found it easier to reverse i(t) into v(t) and look at derivatives of current.

[PLAIN]http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/341/dsc00991ep.jpg

Thank you! I really got some intuition behind it (if ever so slightly).
 
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So the last part can be isolated? So that the initial current at t=4 is 10 A ... and t=4 can be thought of as t=0? Then t=5 is equivalent to t=1:
i(t=5)=\frac{1}{3}(-30)(1)+10=0\text{ }A

No! What that means is that if we started analyzing the circuit at t=4, the value of current that we would have to deal with is 10A. So, the 'initial condition' at t=4 is i(t=4)=10A

Mathematically, the substitution that you've used will work. What it really means is that at t=5, the voltage waveform has been applied for 1 second. In that sense you could say that t=5 implies that the voltage has been applied for t=1 seconds.

I also found it easier to reverse i(t) into v(t) and look at derivatives of current.
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It's the same principle that you have to apply in either case. Use whatever you find easier to apply, but understand both.
 

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