Adding Two Waveforms to find the final Phasor

In summary: If you have a calculator that can give you more than 10 digits of precision, you can get an absolute precision much better than 1%.)If that is not what you need, then try the form, ##\vec V = (6.663 + 5.000i)##. (That's a little silly, but it might work.)If that doesn't work, then try ##\vec V = (6.6633 + 5.0000i)##. That would be a little more silly. The precision for the amplitude is 1 part in 10,000 and the precision for the angle is 1 part in 10,000,000. So, if the grader thinks that
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Homework Statement
Find the phasor which corresponds to v(t), which is the sum of two waveforms:

v(t) = 2cos(8t+180) + 10cos(8t+30) volts

find phasor "V" for the above waveform

phase angles are given in degrees
answers are to be given in radians for exp. form, or rectangular form.
Relevant Equations
r ∠⦵ = r*e^(i*⦵) (polar to exponential notation)
rcos(wt+⦵) = r∠⦵
basic trig formulas, vector addition
v(t) = 2cos(8t+180) + 10cos(8t+30) volts
polar form
= 2∠180 + 10∠30

convert to rectangular to add vectors
= (2cos180 + i*2sin180) + (10cos30 + i*10sin30)
= (-2 + i*0) + (8.66 + i*5) = 6.66 + i*5

find ⦵ and r of sum of vectors
⦵ = arctan(5/6.66) = 0.64
r = sqrt(5^2 + 6.66^2) = 8.33

V = 8.33*e^(i*0.64) ("incorrect answer")

note: I successfully answered another phasor question using this exact entry format. For this question I have tried entering the phasor in exponential (radians and degrees just to check) as well as rectangular.

For a previous question I was graded incorrect for not using the constant "pi" in my answer, could I be missing something like that here or is there a problem with my calculation?

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So I think I figured it out.

Since all the angles are nice angles like 30, 60, 180 etc. they expect you to enter answer as exact numbers (i.e. cos45 = "sqrt(2)/2" instead of "0.71"). Really frustrating that they won't accept both, especially since the instructions include a line saying "answers must be correct to 1%". I assumed that means two decimal places is acceptable.

Anyways, consider this one solved.
 
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Your answer looks close to what I got. Sometimes these "type in the box" homework/test problems can be stubborn. Have you tried degrees, or maybe more digits of precision?
Note that 1% does not necessarily mean 2 digits. Suppose the angle is pi/6 radians (30 degrees)
pi/6 in decimal is 0.5235987756 and 1% of that is .005235987756

When you get values much smaller than this, you could run into where just giving 2 digits will be more than 1% away from the true answer.
 
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Good point about the 1%. I will try more decimals for some of the others because I am still having some entry problems.
 
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Since all the angles are nice angles like 30°, 60°, 180° etc. they expect you to enter answer as exact numbers (i.e. cos45° = "sqrt(2)/2" instead of "0.71"). Really frustrating that they won't accept both, especially since the instructions include a line saying "answers must be correct to 1%". I assumed that means two decimal places is acceptable.
Right you are.

It's difficult to know the details of how the percent error is determined (by the grading algorithm).

If all that was checked were the phasor amplitude and angle, then you would be fine. Each of your answers for those is within ±1% .

However, if there is any error in the phasor angle, then the relative error in the resulting waveform will be huge for some values of ##t## . This is particularly true at those values of ##t## near the zeros of the given waveform, v(t). I tried a few values for ##t## using your phasor values. At ##t=0## you have less than 0.3% error. For all values of ##t## between ##t=0.110## and ##t=0.122## the (absolute value of the) relative error is greater than 8%. The given waveform has a zero about mid-way between those values.

I have no idea how the grading algorithm might be constructed.

Here's an idea ...
Is it required that your answer for the phasor, ##\vec V ##, actually be in "polar" form? If not, try something like ##\vec V = (6.66 + 5i)##. (Try it anyway.)
Although that form has a small amount of rounding error, it's extremely small.
 
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1. How do you add two waveforms to find the final phasor?

The process of adding two waveforms to find the final phasor involves adding the magnitudes of the two waveforms and finding the resultant phase angle using trigonometric functions.

2. What is the significance of adding two waveforms in finding the final phasor?

Adding two waveforms helps in determining the overall behavior of the combined wave, which can be useful in analyzing complex systems and circuits.

3. Can two waveforms with different frequencies be added to find the final phasor?

Yes, two waveforms with different frequencies can be added to find the final phasor. In this case, the resultant phasor will have a frequency that is the average of the two input frequencies.

4. What is the difference between adding waveforms in the time domain and in the frequency domain?

Adding waveforms in the time domain involves adding the instantaneous values of the two waveforms at each point in time, whereas adding in the frequency domain involves adding the phasors representing the two waveforms.

5. Are there any limitations to adding two waveforms to find the final phasor?

Yes, there are limitations to adding two waveforms to find the final phasor. This method is only applicable to linear systems and cannot be used for non-linear systems. Additionally, the waveforms should be of the same type (e.g. both sine waves) for accurate results.

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