Adiabatic compression of ideal diatomic gas

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The problem involves an ideal diatomic gas undergoing adiabatic compression, with given initial and final pressures and volumes. The original poster seeks to determine the work done by the gas during this process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the adiabatic condition and the work integral, with some attempting to verify calculations and values for constants like γ. Others question the correctness of methods and values used in the calculations.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exchange of calculations and methods, with some participants confirming values and approaches while others suggest alternative methods for finding the work done. No consensus has been reached on a single method, but there is productive dialogue regarding the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the coverage of certain equations in their coursework, and there is mention of missing information such as the number of moles of gas.

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Homework Statement



An ideal diatomic gas, with rotation but no oscillation, undergoes an adiabatic compression. Its initial pressure and volume are 1.9 atm and 0.30 m3. It's final pressure is 2.9 atm. How much work is done by the gas?

P0 = 1.9 atm = 1.93e5 Pa
V0 = 0.30 m3
P = 2.9 atm = 2.94e5 Pa

Homework Equations



PVγ=P0V0γ

Where γ = CP/CV

And for an ideal diatomic gas, we have:

γ=\frac{7}{5}

The Attempt at a Solution



W = \intP dV
= \int P0(V0/V)\frac{7}{5} dV
= P0V0\frac{7}{5}(V\frac{-2}{5}-V0\frac{-2}{5})/(\frac{-2}{5})

Then we can solve for V from the adiabatic condition, since we were given the final pressure:

PVγ=P0V0γ

Plugging in the values, I get:

V = 0.22 m3

Then, plugging this value into the work equation, I get:

W = -1.85e5 J or 185 kJ of work done by the gas.

Sorry about my notation, I'm new to LaTex. So, did I do this right?

Thanks in advance.
 
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I did not get your answer.

But if I may:

pVγ = c = p1V1γ

W = ∫pdV = ∫(c/Vγ)dV = c∫VdV with your limits (I also got V2 = 0.22).

Also, the work done BY the gas must be a negative number.
 
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That's what I was trying to do, but my calculator died, so I was using the graphing calculator app on my phone.

Did you get c = 3.577e4 ?

Then W = - 19 kJ ?

If not, can you just tell me if the method is correct or not? Did I use the right value of gamma and the right equations?

Thanks again!
 
Fizz_Geek said:
That's what I was trying to do, but my calculator died, so I was using the graphing calculator app on my phone.

Did you get c = 3.577e4 ? Yes.

Then W = - 19 kJ ? Yes!

If not, can you just tell me if the method is correct or not? Did I use the right value of gamma and the right equations?

Thanks again!
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see above .
You did fine, it was my goof.

I didn't double-check you value of γ though.
 
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Oh! Thanks very much for your time!
 
There is an easier way to do this using TV^{(\gamma-1)} = PV^{\gamma}/nR = \text{constant} to find an expression for ΔT and then use \Delta U = nC_v\Delta T = W (adiabatic) to find W.

AM
 
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Andrew Mason said:
There is an easier way to do this using TV^{(\gamma-1)} = PV^{\gamma}/nR = \text{constant} to find the change in temperature and then \Delta U = nC_v\Delta T = W (adiabatic) to find W.

AM

I didn't think ΔU = CVdT was covered in an intro physics course, then I found it in my Resnick & Halliday ... :redface:

Good thought!
 
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Actually, that formula is in my intro book. But how would I use it here? I don't have the value of n.
 
Fizz_Geek said:
Actually, that formula is in my intro book. But how would I use it here? I don't have the value of n.

Don't need it.

T1 = p1V1/nR
T2 = p2V2/nR
ΔT = T2 - T1 = (1/n)(p2V2 - p1V1)/R
ΔU = ncvΔT = W; the n 's cancel out.
cv is the molar specific heat at const. volume. R is the universal gas constant.
 
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Oh! Okay, thanks for all your help!
 

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