Adiabatic Slope: Ideal Gas Equation

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the slopes of adiabatic and isothermal curves in the context of the ideal gas equation. Participants explore the mathematical representation of these processes and the implications of using different equations of state.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to differentiate the adiabatic process equation and relate it to the isothermal slope, questioning the correctness of their reasoning. Some participants suggest starting from a more general equation of state to derive the relationships, while others inquire about the applicability of the van der Waals equation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem more generally. There is an exploration of different methods to relate the slopes of the curves, but no consensus has been reached regarding the best approach or the correctness of the original poster's reasoning.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of using the ideal gas law versus more general equations of state, indicating a potential gap in information regarding the assumptions made in the original poster's approach.

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Homework Statement



The slope of an adiabatic curve will be equal to r times the slope of an isothermal curve only when we use the ideal gas equation

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The Attempt at a Solution



Adibatic process, P(V)^g = constant
Differentiating w.r.t V

(V)^gdp/dv+[g(v)^g-1]P=0

dp/dv= -[g(V)^g-1]P/v^g

dp/dv= -g P/V

Slope of an isothermal curve using P=nRT/V is -nRT/V^2 = -P/V

Therefore slope Adiabatic = g times slope isothermal


Am i Correct ??

Can we use vander waal eqn also ?
 
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You've proven what you put it --- the formula pV^g=constant for adiabatic expansion uses the ideal gas law for its derivation. You have to start more generally.
 
how do i do that ?
 
Start with a general equation of state, i.e. p is some unknown function of V and T. Relate the gradients of isothermal and adiabatic curves to its values or derivatives. Set them to be proportional to each other, with a constant -g, and then solve the resulting differential equations to show that you end up with p=GVT where G is some (unknown) constant.
 

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