How Does the Van der Waals Equation Define Adiabatic Processes for Real Gases?

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The discussion revolves around the van der Waals equation and its application to adiabatic processes in real gases. The original poster attempts to derive an equation for an adiabatic process involving a van der Waals gas, specifically addressing the behavior of heat capacity as a function of temperature.

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  • Participants explore the assumption that the heat capacity can be treated as nearly constant over a specific temperature range, similar to ideal gases. Questions arise regarding the implications of this assumption and the nature of heat capacity for van der Waals gases compared to ideal gases.

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Guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of heat capacity in the context of van der Waals gases and its comparison to ideal gases. Multiple interpretations of the relationship between heat capacities are being explored, particularly concerning the temperature dependence of the heat capacity for real gases.

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Participants note that the heat capacity for van der Waals gases is a function of temperature, which contrasts with the constant heat capacity typically associated with ideal gases. This distinction is central to the discussion and raises questions about the assumptions made in the derivation of the adiabatic process equation.

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Homework Statement


Show that for a gas obeying the van der Waals equation ##\left(P+\frac{a}{v^2}\right)(v-b)=RT##, with ##c_v## a function of ##T## only, an equation for an adiabatic process is $$T(v-b)^{R/c_v}=constant$$

Homework Equations


##TdS=c_vdT+T\left(\frac{\partial P}{\partial T}\right)_v dv##

The Attempt at a Solution


For reversible adiabatic process, ##dS=0##.
So, from the third ##TdS## equation,
$$c_vdT+T\left(\frac{\partial P}{\partial T}\right)_v dv=0$$
$$c_vdT+T\left(\frac{R}{v-b}\right)dv=0~~~$$ [Using equation of state]
$$c_v\frac{dT}{T}=-\frac{RdV}{v-b}$$
If ##c_v## is a constant, integrating both sides, we have:
$$T(v-b)^{R/c_v}=constant$$
But, in this case, ##c_v## is a function of ##T##.
Any help would be appreciated.
 
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I guess they must be assuming that, over the range of temperatures for the process, the heat capacity is nearly constant. We certainly often do this for an ideal gas, and, since the heat capacity for a van der waals gas is a function only of temperature, it must be identical to the ideal gas heat capacity.
 
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Chestermiller said:
since the heat capacity for a van der waals gas is a function only of temperature, it must be identical to the ideal gas heat capacity
Could you please explain this part? The heat capacity for ideal gas is a constant while for van der waals gas, it is a function of temperature. What did you actually mean by they are identical?
 
arpon said:
Could you please explain this part? The heat capacity for ideal gas is a constant while for van der waals gas, it is a function of temperature. What did you actually mean by they are identical?
The heat capacity of a real gas, in the limit of very low pressures, is a function of temperature. We engineers take this into account in our definition of an ideal gas (by regarding an ideal gas as having a temperature-dependent heat capacity), but physicists have idealized it further (by regarding an ideal gas as having a constant heat capacity). Now, if the heat capacity of a van der Waals gas is a function of temperature only (and not volume and pressure), it must be the same temperature-dependent function as we engineers refer to for an ideal gas.
 
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