Adiabatic stretching of a rubber band

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The discussion revolves around the thermodynamic behavior of a rubber band under adiabatic stretching conditions. Participants are tasked with proving that adiabatic stretching leads to an increase in temperature and that warming the band under constant tension results in contraction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between internal energy, tension, and temperature, questioning the validity of certain assumptions and equations. There is uncertainty regarding the implications of adiabatic processes and the behavior of the rubber band under varying conditions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have attempted to apply the first law of thermodynamics to derive relationships between temperature and tension. Questions about the derivation of certain equations and the implications of the results are being raised, indicating an active exploration of the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a previous part of the problem that establishes a relationship between tension and temperature, which may influence the current discussion. Participants express doubt about their reasoning and the simplicity of their conclusions, indicating a need for further clarification and exploration of the concepts.

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Homework Statement


For a stretched rubber band, it is observed experimentally that the tension ##f## is proportional to the temperature ##T## if the length ##L## is held constant. Prove that:

(b) adiabatic stretching of the band results in an increase in temperature;
(c) the band will contract if warmed while kept under constant tension.

Homework Equations


the first law:
$$
dU=Tds+fdL=C_L dT
$$
$$
f=\left (\frac{\partial f}{\partial T}\right )_L T
$$
$$
\left (\frac{\partial L}{\partial f}\right )_T>0
$$

The Attempt at a Solution



(b)[/B]

For an adiabatic process, entropy doesn't increase and so:
$$
dU=fdL=C_LdT
$$

The force is always positive and so temperature is positively increased by length.

This feels too simple so i doubt I am correct. I have no idea for part (c).
 
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How do you know that dU=CdT?
 
There was a part A that was to show this is the case
$$dU=C_vdT+\left[f-T\left(\frac{\partial f}{\partial T}\right)_L\right]dL$$

The second term drops out
 
Toby_phys said:

Homework Statement


For a stretched rubber band, it is observed experimentally that the tension ##f## is proportional to the temperature ##T## if the length ##L## is held constant. Prove that:

(b) adiabatic stretching of the band results in an increase in temperature;
(c) the band will contract if warmed while kept under constant tension.

Homework Equations


the first law:
$$
dU=Tds+fdL=C_L dT
$$
$$
f=\left (\frac{\partial f}{\partial T}\right )_L T
$$
$$
\left (\frac{\partial L}{\partial f}\right )_T>0
$$

The Attempt at a Solution



(b)[/B]

For an adiabatic process, entropy doesn't increase and so:
$$
dU=fdL=C_LdT
$$

The force is always positive and so temperature is positively increased by length.

This feels too simple so i doubt I am correct. I have no idea for part (c).
In part (a) it was shown that f = Tg(L), where g is an increasing function of L. This is the equation of state of the rubber. So if T increases at constant f, what happens to L?
 

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