Adjusting the pressure drop in an injection plate

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a gas pressure feed system for a hydrogen peroxide - ethanol rocket engine, specifically focusing on the sensitivity of the injection plate to pressure drops (dP) and discharge coefficients. Participants explore how to monitor and adjust the pressure drop to optimize engine performance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Roy S. Ramirez expresses concern about the sensitivity of the injection plate to pressure drops and seeks advice on tracking and adjusting dP to achieve desired flow rates.
  • One participant questions whether Roy has addressed previous inquiries regarding the project and highlights the importance of safety when working with hazardous materials.
  • A later reply suggests that maintaining a constant discharge pressure may be more critical than focusing solely on dP, proposing that this pressure should be referenced to the ideal design pressure for input adjustments.
  • Roy's background and qualifications are discussed, with emphasis on ensuring safety and proper handling of materials during the project.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of safety and the need for proper background knowledge for such projects. However, there is no consensus on the best approach to managing pressure drop and discharge pressure, indicating multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for further clarification on the specific methods for tracking dP and the assumptions regarding the relationship between discharge pressure and input pressure adjustments.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for aerospace engineering students, hobbyists in rocketry, and individuals interested in the design and safety considerations of rocket propulsion systems.

Roy S Ramirez
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Hello everybody,

I'm designing a gas pressure feed system for a hydrogen peroxide - ethanol rocket engine, and after analyzing the devised injection plate, I noticed it is very sensitive to the propellants' pressure drops and discharge coefficients. Once the plate is manufactured, the only parameter I could adjust to get the correct flow would be the pressure drop (dP), which, as I mentioned, affects the engine's performance significantly with variations as low as 1 psi. How can I keep track of the actual dP's once I put everything together, and adjust the input pressure to achieve the desired dP's?
Roy S. Ramirez
AAE Sophomore - Purdue University
 
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Roy S Ramirez said:
Hello everybody,

I'm designing a gas pressure feed system for a hydrogen peroxide - ethanol rocket engine, and after analyzing the devised injection plate, I noticed it is very sensitive to the propellants' pressure drops and discharge coefficients. Once the plate is manufactured, the only parameter I could adjust to get the correct flow would be the pressure drop (dP), which, as I mentioned, affects the engine's performance significantly with variations as low as 1 psi. How can I keep track of the actual dP's once I put everything together, and adjust the input pressure to achieve the desired dP's?
Roy S. Ramirez
AAE Sophomore - Purdue University
Hi Roy,

We need to make sure that you have the background to do this type of project safely (and we have to be careful not to allow threads about dangerous activities that other readers with less experience may then attempt themselves).

Please send me a message (click on my avatar and select Start a Conversation) with your background and a description of your previous projects. Also, do you have a mentor there with you helping you to work on this project, or are you all on your own? Where are you planning on storing these materials and doing the construction? Are you a member of your local rocketry club?

Here's your New Member Introduction Post:
Roy S Ramirez said:
Hello everybody, my name is Roy Ramirez. I'm an aerospace engineering sophomore at Purdue University, and my dream is to contribute to the globalization of space by developing more accessible space technologies.
 
berkeman said:
We need to make sure that you have the background to do this type of project safely (and we have to be careful not to allow threads about dangerous activities that other readers with less experience may then attempt themselves).
After a very nice private conversation with Roy, this thread is re-opened. Roy definitely has the background and qualifications to be working on this project at the university level, and he will mention safety issues and how he handles them in his posts (for the benefit of less experienced PF members and readers). Thanks Roy. :smile:
 
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Roy S Ramirez said:
How can I keep track of the actual dP's once I put everything together, and adjust the input pressure to achieve the desired dP's?
It would appear from the discussion in your post that the critical issue is actually maintaining a constant discharge pressure; if this is true then referencing that pressure to the ideal design pressure, rather than the dP, should be the input to a controller that adjusts your input pressure accordingly.
 

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