Relationship between volumetric flow rate and pressure

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the relationship between volumetric flow rate and pressure in the context of a liquid rocket engine's feed system. Participants explore fluid mechanics principles relevant to pressure-fed systems, particularly how to determine flow rates given certain parameters.

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Main Points Raised

  • Roy discusses the challenge of determining flow rate in a pressure-fed system, noting the formula Q = v*A and expressing uncertainty about how to incorporate pressure into his calculations.
  • Roy presents the equation Q = Cd * A * sqrt(2 dP / rho) but questions its applicability to his situation, particularly regarding the pressure drop (dP).
  • Another participant clarifies that the equation Roy provided is specific to flow through a nozzle or orifice and emphasizes the need to know both the inlet pressure and discharge point backpressure for accurate flow determination.
  • This participant suggests assuming atmospheric pressure for backpressure in general piping systems, but notes that this assumption may not be suitable for rocket motor fuel lines due to specific operational pressures.
  • A recommendation is made for Roy to consult the "Standard Handbook For Mechanical Engineers" for guidance on piping loss analysis, which may include relevant calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of certain equations to the problem at hand. There is no consensus on the best approach to determine flow rates in the context of Roy's specific application.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of knowing specific pressures and backpressures in the system, indicating that assumptions about atmospheric pressure may not hold in the context of rocket propulsion.

Roy S Ramirez
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Hello everybody,

This is my first post. I've been working on a liquid rocket engine for a while, but I have never gotten to work on its feed system (fluid mechanics), until recently. We are using a very simple pressure fed system, and its main goal is to deliver the propellants at a specific flow and pressure to the engine. I know that Q = v*A, but this doesn't help me that much since I can't "set" the velocity of the pressurized propellants. Nevertheless, I do know their pressures and the cross sectional area of the pipes. I tried to derivate that formula to come up with another one that includes pressure, but even though the units are correct, I don't think it is correct. This is the other formula I know: Q = Cd * A * sqrt(2 dP / rho), where Cd is the discharge coefficient, dP the pressure drop, and rho, the fluid density. Sadly, dP is not very useful here neither.

So in summary, my question is: if I have a pipe of x diameter coming out from a tank with a pressure of y (assuming I know the physical properties of this fluid), what would it be its resulting flow, and how can I change it?
Roy S. Ramirez
 
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The last equation you gave is for flow through a nozzle or orifice, it does not apply for a piping loss. Regardless of that, you must know the pipe inlet pressure and discharge point backpressure to determine the flow with all piping loss analyses as well. The basic starting point for general piping systems if the backpressure at the piping discharge point is not known is to assume atmospheric pressure; although, if you are designing piping for a rocket motor fuel line then that will not get you very far because your backpressure is going to be determined by either the fuel discharge nozzle or the engine chamber operating pressure.
 
Roy, for a basic reference on piping loss analysis I recommend that, if possible, you locate a copy of the "Standard Handbook For Mechanical Engineers" by Baumeister & Marks which has a section covering this type of analysis including a sample calculation.
 
JBA said:
Roy, for a basic reference on piping loss analysis I recommend that, if possible, you locate a copy of the "Standard Handbook For Mechanical Engineers" by Baumeister & Marks which has a section covering this type of analysis including a sample calculation.
Thank you very much JBA!
 

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