Advanced probability theory books?

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The discussion centers on advanced probability theory, specifically focusing on the calculus of general random variables that may not have a density or mass function. Participants explore various approaches to understanding these concepts, including the use of densities, cumulative distributions, and probability measures. The conversation also touches on recommendations for accessible textbooks on the subject.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in learning about general random variables and outlines three approaches: using densities, cumulative distributions, and probability measures.
  • Another participant suggests that learning about probability measures will inherently lead to understanding densities and cumulative distributions, noting the relationship between them.
  • There is a discussion about the suitability of Billingsley's book as a readable yet rigorous introduction that does not assume prior knowledge of measure theory.
  • A participant contrasts Billingsley's approach with Shiryaev's, indicating that Billingsley is more essay-like while Shiryaev is concise and organized, though they have not read Shiryaev's book.
  • Further commentary on Billingsley's organization suggests it interleaves probability with measure theory effectively, while Chung's book is described as more dry and suited for a graduate course.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of measure theory for advanced probability topics, but there is no consensus on which textbook is superior, as opinions vary regarding the styles and effectiveness of Billingsley, Shiryaev, and Chung.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with Lebesgue integration, which may influence their preferences for textbooks. The discussion reflects differing opinions on the organization and pedagogical approach of the recommended books.

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I'm interested in learning the calculus of general random variables, i.e. those that do not necessarily have a density or mass function - such as mixtures of continuous / discrete / Cantor-type variables.

There seem to be several different approaches:

1. Via densities, using delta functions etc, e.g. E[X]=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}x f(x)dx

2. Via cumulative distributions, using Stieltjes-type integrals, e.g. E[X]=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}xdF(x)

3. Via probability measures, e.g. E[X]=\int x d\mu(x)

Each seems to have a well developed rigorous theory. What would be the best approach to focus on, and what's a good accessible book on the subject?
 
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If you learn (3), then you will develop (1) and (2) as part of the process. F(x) = \mu((-\infty,x]), and the probability density function f(x) exists if F is an absolutely continuous function.

I like Billingsley's https://www.amazon.com/dp/0471007102/?tag=pfamazon01-20 because it's a very readable yet rigorous treatment that doesn't assume that you already know measure theory and Lebesgue(-Stieltjes) integration.
 
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Thanks - sounds like measure theory is the way to go and will be useful for more advanced topics.

Having a very basic and incomplete knowledge of Lebesgue integration, I'm tossing up between Billingsley and Shiryaev's https://www.amazon.com/dp/0387945490/?tag=pfamazon01-20 - the gist of the reviews seems to be that B is more of a gentle essay-style introduction whereas S is more concise and efficiently organized. Any thoughts on this?
 
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bpet said:
Thanks - sounds like measure theory is the way to go and will be useful for more advanced topics.

Having a very basic and incomplete knowledge of Lebesgue integration, I'm tossing up between Billingsley and Shiryaev's https://www.amazon.com/dp/0387945490/?tag=pfamazon01-20 - the gist of the reviews seems to be that B is more of a gentle essay-style introduction whereas S is more concise and efficiently organized. Any thoughts on this?

I haven't read Shiryaev's book, so I can't compare the two. Billingsley isn't organized as a reference; he deliberately interleaves the probability material with measure theory on an "as-needed" basis, which is nice because everything seems properly motivated as you read through it. I would not say that his book is gentle per se (parts of it are quite tough), but it flows pretty well and he does a good job letting you know what he's doing and why.

Besides Billingsley and Shiryaev, another commonly used probability book at this level is Chung's https://www.amazon.com/dp/0121741516/?tag=pfamazon01-20. I've only skimmed it, and it looks fine, but a lot more dry than Billingsley. For example, Billingsley has a cool chapter about gambling theory, and often sprinkles interesting side topics such as "Strange Euclidean Sets" and the Banach-Tarski paradox, but Chung takes more of a no-nonsense approach. Chung is probably more appropriate for a graduate course, whereas Billingsley seems better for self-study. Just my opinion.
 
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