Advanced Quantum Mechanics Textbooks: Derivations of Equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the search for advanced quantum mechanics textbooks that provide detailed derivations of equations, particularly the different forms of the Schrödinger equation. Participants explore the transition from the time-dependent to the time-independent Schrödinger equation and the implications of this transition in the context of computational chemistry.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a desire for textbooks that show step-by-step derivations of the Schrödinger equation.
  • One participant notes that the Schrödinger equation is more motivated than derived, referencing a previous discussion on its derivation.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on how the time-independent Schrödinger equation arises from the time-dependent version, mentioning the removal of the time component.
  • A participant describes the removal of the time component as a straightforward eigenfunction expansion into stationary states, suggesting that the number of exact solutions is limited but their connections to reality are diverse.
  • Recommendations for textbooks include "QM Demystified," which is suggested for its step-by-step presentation.
  • There is a light-hearted exchange regarding the publication dates of textbooks, with participants noting the age of certain texts.
  • One participant indicates a lack of familiarity with eigenfunctions, expressing a need to learn more about them.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of detailed derivations in understanding quantum mechanics, but there are differing views on the nature of the Schrödinger equation's derivation and the implications of removing the time component. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of these derivations and the best resources for learning them.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of eigenfunctions and the mathematical foundations necessary for computational chemistry, indicating that further exploration is needed.

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Hi I’m looking for a textbook that shows the derivations of equations such as the different forms of the Schrödinger equation fully and step by step.
 
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Frabjous said:
The Schrödinger equation is more motivated than derived. I always liked this discussion.
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/how-to-derive-schrodingers-equation.1004975/#post-6514138
Thanks. Shocking that book is from 1961. 80 years old! It’s similar to what I am looking for. I’ll provide a bit of context. I’ve accepted the time dependent Schrödinger equation as a fact and starting point. My question, specifically, is how does the time independent equation arise from the time dependent equation. I know you first remove the time component somehow, is that what the linked resource is showing? After I have the time independent I separate it into nuclear and electronic wave function equations by applying the born Oppenheimer approximation. I’ll have a proper look in the morning when I’m at my computer. For even more context i’m a hobby trying to go serious computational chemist.
 
QuantumWhatNow said:
Shocking that book is from 1961. 80 years old!
Funny, I read 1967 and my math finds that 1967 is only 55 years ago :smile:

Both careful reading and solid math are very important for computational chemistry :wink:

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QuantumWhatNow said:
I know you first remove the time component somehow, is that what the linked resource is showing? After I have the time independent I separate it into nuclear and electronic wave function equations by applying the born Oppenheimer approximation.
The removal of the time component for solution of the Shrodinger eqn. has very little to do with its genesis. It represents a relatively straightforward (exact) eigenfunction expansion into stationary (persistant in time) states via separation of variables for (manifestly) time independent interactions. Then the fun begins because the number of exact solutions is few but the connection to reality is shockingly diverse.
 
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QuantumWhatNow said:
Hi I’m looking for a textbook that shows the derivations of equations such as the different forms of the Schrödinger equation fully and step by step.
For step by step presentation I recommend QM Demystified (no, I'm not the author)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0071765638/?tag=pfamazon01-20
 
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BvU said:
Funny, I read 1967 and my math finds that 1967 is only 55 years ago :smile:

Both careful reading and solid math are very important for computational chemistry :wink:

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Hahaha yes definitely!
 
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hutchphd said:
The removal of the time component for solution of the Shrodinger eqn. has very little to do with its genesis. It represents a relatively straightforward (exact) eigenfunction expansion into stationary (persistant in time) states via separation of variables for (manifestly) time independent interactions. Then the fun begins because the number of exact solutions is few but the connection to reality is shockingly diverse.
I need to look into eigenfunctions I guess. Not covered that just yet.
 
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