Air Pressure Lift: Lifting 250 lbs 6-12

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the air pressure required to lift a 250-pound load using six 1-inch diameter pipes, with a focus on building a small platform for transporting materials like wood or metal. Participants explore design considerations, motor requirements, and the principles of hovercraft mechanics.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the specific goals and designs for the project, emphasizing the need for clarity on the intended application.
  • There is a suggestion to use a skirt, similar to hovercraft designs, to reduce the power needed for lifting the load.
  • Participants discuss the materials for the pipes, with some proposing copper or aluminum for ease of repair.
  • Questions arise regarding the type of motor needed to achieve a constant 240 psi while remaining portable.
  • Some participants note that the design details significantly affect the required air pressure and stability of the lift.
  • There is a mention that hovercraft typically operate at low pressures (around 0.5 psi) and that higher pressures may lead to increased leakage and power requirements.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety of hovercraft, particularly regarding their potential to become uncontrolled projectiles if not properly restrained.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the design and operational parameters of the hovercraft concept, with no consensus reached on the optimal motor or pressure requirements. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to achieve the desired lift.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of design specifics, such as the use of nozzles and skirts, and the implications these have on pressure and stability. There are also unresolved questions about the necessary power and motor specifications for the project.

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How much air pressure, from six 1inch in diameter pipes, would it take to lift something no more then 250 pounds about six to twelve inches off the ground?P.S. This is a personal question not, homework.
 
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What is your goal? What are you building?
 
Drakkith said:
What is your goal? What are you building?
I want to build a small platform that will carry small work loads such as wood or metal. (Farm purpose)
 
By 1" pipes do you mean 1" inside diameter cylinders with pistons?
 
Builder said:
I want to build a small platform that will carry small work loads such as wood or metal. (Farm purpose)
Sounds like you should add a skirt, like a hovercraft uses. Otherwise it will take WAY more power to lift the load that high.

Make a Hovercraft Wheelbarrow, like this:

https://theawesomer.com/photos/2013/10/wingman_hovercraft_wheelbarrow_t-300x250.jpg
wingman_hovercraft_wheelbarrow_t-300x250.jpg
 
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JBA said:
By 1" pipes do you mean 1" inside diameter cylinders with pistons?
My thought was to use something like copper or aluminum pipes/tubing. I just need something simple that can easily be fixed or replaced. What kind of moter could i use to get 240 psi, with it the moter only weighing no more then thirty to forty pounds?
 
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I guess this is heavily depending on details of design. A Google search "hovercraft technical specifications" brought me a lot to read. Wikipedia has a nice picture of the principle behind. I was surprised, that the pipes don't press the air directly on the ground, but on a bottom plate instead.
It will probably be determined by the rubber aprons to contain the air. And stability might get a problem.
 
fresh_42 said:
I guess this is heavily depending on details of design. A Google search "hovercraft technical specifications" brought me a lot to read. Wikipedia has a nice picture of the principle behind. I was surprised, that the pipes don't press the air directly on the ground, but on a bottom plate instead.
It will probably be determined by the rubber aprons to contain the air. And stability might get a problem.
Well what i thought of for design was to use nozzles to get a more forceful push of air from the exit points. Would i loss or gain psi from nozzles?
 
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Well what i thought of for design was to use nozzles to get a more forceful push of air from the exit points. Would i loss or gain psi from nozzles?
If you don't use a skirt, it won't matter whether you try to use nozzles or not. You could only use nozzles if you had a jet engine for thrust.

http://tek-think.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Human-test-flight-of-a-jetpack-in-Bejing-China.jpg
Human-test-flight-of-a-jetpack-in-Bejing-China.jpg
 
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berkeman said:
If you don't use a skirt, it won't matter whether you try to use nozzles or not. You could only use nozzles if you had a jet engine for thrust.

http://tek-think.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Human-test-flight-of-a-jetpack-in-Bejing-China.jpg
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What kind of moter should i use to get a constant 240psi through the system? It would also need to be mobile enough to be easily transported by hand.
 
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Builder said:
What kind of moter should i use to get a constant 240psi through the system? It would also need to be mobile enough to be easily transported by hand.
If you Google DIY Hovercraft Wheelbarrow, you will see lots of ideas. You could have wheels outside the skirt that the unit settles down on when the motor isn't running.

http://www.vintageprojects.com/go-kart/flying2-150.jpg
flying2-150.jpg
 
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A hovercraft (with skirt) usually don't have a pressure over 0.5 psi. The higher the pressure, the bigger the leakage, the higher the power needed.

This post might help.
 
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jack action said:
A hovercraft (with skirt) usually don't have a pressure over 0.5 psi. The higher the pressure, the bigger the leakage, the higher the power needed.

This post might help.
Well for the project I am working on i need it to get at least 200 pounds six or eight inches off of flat ground, so what kind of moter would be best for a skirted craft? (Craft is 4 foot long, 3 foot wide.)
 
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Builder said:
Well for the project I am working on i need it to get at least 200 pounds six or eight inches off of flat ground, so what kind of moter would be best for a skirted craft? (Craft is 4 foot long, 3 foot wide.)
Here's a hovercraft calculator:
http://www.hoverhawk.com/lcalc.html

I think you will find that your requirements are substantial -- more than you are probably expecting.
 
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russ_watters said:
Here's a hovercraft calculator:
http://www.hoverhawk.com/lcalc.html

I think you will find that your requirements are substantial -- more than you are probably expecting.
Thanks
 
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One major issue is to keep in mind is that a hovercraft is a frictionless vehicle that must be restrained at all times when at lift. The slightest ground slope and/or wind can quickly accelerate an unrestrained hovercraft into a dangerous uncontrolled projectile (particularly one with a heavy load).
 
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Thanks for the help everyone.
 

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