Air resistance/velocity problem

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The problem involves a ball projected vertically upwards with an initial speed, considering the effects of air resistance modeled quadratically. Participants are tasked with deriving an expression for the component of acceleration in the upward direction based on the forces acting on the ball.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of Newton's second law and the forces acting on the ball, including weight and air resistance. There are attempts to rearrange equations to isolate acceleration, with some questioning the origin of specific terms in the derived expression.

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Some participants have provided guidance on isolating acceleration and factoring expressions, while others express confusion about the steps taken and the appearance of certain terms. The discussion reflects a collaborative exploration of the problem without reaching a definitive consensus.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available and the methods they can use. There is an ongoing examination of assumptions regarding the direction of forces and the definitions of variables involved.

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Homework Statement



A ball is projected vertically upwards with an initial speed of 20ms^−1 at a
height of 1.5m above the ground. Model the ball as a sphere of diameter D, mass m, and
assume that the quadratic model of air resistance applies.

Show that the component of acceleration at time t in the upward
direction is given by
a(t) = − g/b^2 x (v^2+b^2)

where v is the speed of the ball at time t, and b2 = mg/0.2D2.

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The Attempt at a Solution



There are 2 forces acting on the sphere, its weight and the air resistance, both acting vertically downwards. I used Newtons 2nd law

ma = mg + 0.2D^2v^2

I figure that the question involves rearranging this expression in terms of a. Now I am stuck. As I can't rearrange this expression to get the one given in the question, this leads me to believe my approach is wrong
 
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If you divide both sides of the equation by m to isolate a, after first substituting .2 d^2 =mg/b^2, as given, you've got it! The minus sign in the solution assumes downward as negative. You assumed downward as positive, which is fine.
 
Thanks for the reply, but I still don't get how to do this. In particular where the extra b^2 comes from.

I rearranged the given expression for b^2 to get -

0.2D^2 = mg/b^2

After substituting in

ma = mg + (mg/b^2)v^2

Which I get to

a = g + (g/b^2)v^2

Which is close, but I see no point anywhere where an extra b^2 could appear from...
 
Kawakaze said:
Thanks for the reply, but I still don't get how to do this. In particular where the extra b^2 comes from.

I rearranged the given expression for b^2 to get -

0.2D^2 = mg/b^2

After substituting in

ma = mg + (mg/b^2)v^2

Which I get to

a = g + (g/b^2)v^2
yes, now multiply the first term on the right of the equal sign by [itex]b^2/b^2[/itex], (which is 1, which doesn't change its value)
[itex]a = g(b^2/b^2) + (g/b^2)v^2[/itex], now factor:
[itex]a = g/b^2( v^2 + b^2)[/itex]
 
Thanks! But how did you know to do that? Is there a rule for it?
 
Kawakaze said:
Thanks! But how did you know to do that? Is there a rule for it?
Gee, I don't know, I never did it this way before, I even surprised myself:eek:. If you hadn't provided the solution, I would have done it like

[itex]a = g + (g/b^2)v^2[/itex]
[itex]a = g(1 + (v^2/b^2))[/itex]
[itex]a = g(1 + (v/b)^2)[/itex]

But given the solution, I sort of worked backwards.:smile:
 
Job done, looks like we both picked up something new! :)

Thanks again!
 

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